Russia v Ukraine

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Its a little distorted because 18-60 year old males are prevented from evacuating. They are forced to take up arms and fight, there is no choice. I can't imagine an 18 year old kid with no experience in combat, probably has never fired a shot before, being pushed to the front line to face military armed to the teeth. Cannon fodder or human shield sounds about right.




I was just thinking the other day, if we could avoid another all out war for another generation, then we might be saved. From what I see, the next generation around the world have no desire to kill each other, they are more interested in their playstations, twitters, tik toks, tweerks and instagrams. But it doesn't look like we can hold out.

If we ever get invaded, everyone will need to fight, men, women, children of all ages. We are on an island, there is no where to evacuate to. Ask me a year ago, and I would have said there was little to no reason why anyone would want to put boots on our shores, we are too far, and our geography doesn't give a strategic foothold to attack our allies, except maybe NZ, but who sees NZ as a threat?! . But now with plans to obtain first strike capabilities, might be a different story.


Also just heard reported that 20,000 "foreign fighters" will be arriving on Ukraine's side. Mostly from NATO countries. Add the weapons supplied by NATO, I wonder if NATO has already got boots on the ground in this war covertly. Apparently Russia has recruited 16,000 foreign fighters on their side. Interestingly, heard a war analyst say that fighters who do not fight under the command of an army, are subject to different geneva convention rules. From what I understand, they have LESS rights than soldiers if they get captured. They will be treated as armed civilians / tourist fighters. Hmmmmm

Interesting the bit about being invaded ....you would think all these invading countries would learn from history.....its not going to work out well

I think both countries would hold out quite well , sure some big power could come in take over the main cities but the guerilla warfare and local knowledge of terrain etc with todays communication tech , your countries a bit more open so it would be harder to make raids but so many people with bush knowledge would be the advantage , like in NZ there's so many hunters and outdoor people here and the terrain suits guerilla warfare to a tee it would be another vietnam all over.....just got to look at how the Poms faired against the Maori all those years ago it was too hard....lets sign a treaty
As a country we're still paying the price for it

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by zilo

If you can sneak in with a submarine and launch any missile on your enemy's bases, including their nuclear bases, then you have first strike capability.

Originally Posted by xkxlxm

"I don't think any Australian government has ever considered our military for pre-emptive roles in any past wars, we have taken a defensive role only."

I know this is getting off topic again, but so is the above comment. 19 years ago our military was used in a pre-emptive strike on a country which is a long, long way from us and which posed absolutely no threat to us.

Recently I saw a reference to Condoleeza Rice in 2002/2003. Something like "we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud". I remember the speech. It could have been an address to the UN. She was selling the war on Iraq. We - the West, the 'free world' - had to take a pre-emptive strike against Iraq because it had WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. Australia, under Howard, could not get there quick enough.

Listen carefully to Dutton's comments yesterday. Our next shot will not be fired from home.

Back to Ukraine vs Russia

I read a week ago that some 500,000 people have evacuated from Kiyv. I think their population is around 2.8m. That is still a shed loads of people in the city. Peace talks are looking a tad more positive, if not, the final assault might get extremely ugly.

[T3rminator]

May have spoken too soon on peace talks. Just saw Sky News interview the Ukranian President Chief of Staff. Sky asked if they would settle for cease fire if it meant giving up the Donbass, which was declared independent by Putin at the beginning of the war. The chief of staff said, giving up any piece of territory is the only non negotiable.

[FairmontGS]

Kyiv is looking like Putin's Stalingrad. The bullet in the back of the head probably isn't far away.

Discussions started this week in European think-tanks about the modern day equivalent of the Marshall Plan - what do we want the post-Ukraine/Putin Russia to look like?

We could punish them and send them back to an agrarian 19th century backwater... or give them a leg up like we did with Germany and Japan in 1945 and make them responsible citizens for the 21st century. Interesting times ahead...

[FairmontGS]

Comparison Day 17 to 22.



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...raine-liveblog

[FairmontGS]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...raine-liveblog

[Polyal]

So I guess a question will be once this is done and I can only assume it wont get well for Russia, then what of the territory they have "control" of....and when Putin is gone will the next knob continue the rage?

[T3rminator]

Another fascinating interview with Scott Ritter. A former US marine, grew up studying the soviets, and was trained to kill soviets. Giving insights you'll never hear from msm.

He also gives his views on the "de-nazification" that people have been asking about.

[jaydee]

Just a shame Ukraine can't just launch a donated missile into Russia and give them a bloody nose.
Unfortunately that would only poke the bear and consequences be unthinkable.

[rare ss]

Thanks for the clip, was a great insight

[MDS69]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Just a shame Ukraine can't just launch a donated missile into Russia and give them a bloody nose.
Unfortunately that would only poke the bear and consequences be unthinkable.

Funny you should say that. I just came in here to ask if the Ukraine had the capability to do so, lob a few missiles over the border. One right through the front door of the Kremlin.

[MITCHAY]

Whether they have the capability or not to hit Russia, they haven't done so.

We're now going into week 4 and Russia is striking targets in the west which is flirting with the line. One stray missile and this changes a lot. Well at least in theory.

The funny thing with all these talks is that when both parties come to the table with non-negotiable terms that directly conflict with each other, they are doomed to fail.

At the moment why would Ukraine fold, I sure as **** wouldn't.

I stepped away once I realised who started this thread...

If someone else wants to start a thread I will happily participate.

[LG17]

I often see Dr Keith Suter on the telly for a down to earth summary of this and other world events. I liked his opinion on Putin where he said he's gotta go but hopes it's an internal assassin and not an American.

[roKWiz]

Geeze, was catching up on some superyacht youtube (as you do) and it seems the Euro based Russian owned superyacht's are making a run for Vladivostok trying to evade detection, (switching off AIS) arrest or seizure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpqyL3MUHJA

I think Charliewool needs to head down to the Panama Canal and throw rocks at them transitting.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Geeze, was catching up on some superyacht youtube (as you do) and it seems the Euro based Russian owned superyacht's are making a run for Vladivostok trying to evade detection, (switching off AIS) arrest or seizure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpqyL3MUHJA

I think Charliewool needs to head down to the Panama Canal and throw rocks at them transitting.

Actually we’re heading to Panama tomorrow (shopping)… Will take rocks!

[xkxlxm]

https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03...can-innocence/

[FairmontGS]

Is this the 'end of the beginning'*for Russia in Ukraine?*

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-...mean/100926436

[burnz]

it'a all about the money, western NGO's

https://www.********.com/video/W2pC7um2s6Ww/

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by TrVrPhiLpsiNdstrys

Who are you ??

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by TrVrPhiLpsiNdstrys

WOW in your head much good to see you will never change



As you were

[Cav]

Current map of military operations for the past day

The picture on the fronts today practically repeats yesterday. The boundaries of the fronts have not changed much. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation that day conducts the tactics of effective high-precision strikes. So, now the explosions in Nikolaev sounded again, there was a military unit and a hotel in which "military tourists" lived.

From the Russian warship flew polite greetings along the coast of Odessa. At night, air-launched cruise missiles struck at the Center for the Training of Foreign Mercenaries and Ukrainian Nationalist Formations at the Novaya Lyubomyrka combined-arms training ground in the Rivne region. More than 80 mercenaries and nationalists were killed, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.

Well, the noisiest "high-precision" arrival on March 21 fell on the non-working trading center in Kiev, where a battery of Ukrainian MLRS with an ammunition depot was hiding. It is also reported about the massive work of artillery and aviation on other fronts, in particular, artillery hell was arranged today for the fortifications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Avdiivka, writes the Telegram channel Readovka.

Army nazis tries to snap at the rat, continuing to bomb the peaceful areas of Donetsk, where civilians were killed again. There is little information on the close interactions of the motorized infantry parts themselves.
Of interest, if you believe Ramzan Kadyrov, then finally managed to capture the area of the Azovstal plant - the citadel of Aziva. This means that Mariupol will soon be released completely, progress here is proceeding at a faster pace than before.

Well, at the briefing of the Ministry of Defense, we learned that the village of Sladkoe, Maryinsky district, Donetsk region) Has been liberated. Next, a technical message: as information about movements and the situation on the fronts is becoming less and less in a row causes. For example, due to changes in our tactics, increased secrecy of movements by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, a ban on the publication of photos / videos of military operations from the Ukrainian sides, which by the way were the main source of information. We will now issue a map and an overview summary every two days. If the picture of the front line changes faster and more significantly than it is now, we will return to daily publication.

Thank you for looking at the site and sharing our map. May the day come faster when we stop publishing it altogether, due of course to the victory.

https://t.me/s/readovkanews

[FairmontGS]

Day 27 to day 22 comparison




https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...-plan-liveblog

[zilo]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Day 27 to day 22 comparison

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...-plan-liveblog

Same old...same old...Biden rubbish about how Putin MIGHT use chemical weapons...yeah right...same as Sadam Hussein had nuclear bombs.

If you believe this crap you believe anything.

We will just overlook the fact that a lot of "civilians" killed just happen to be armed to the teeth with weapons..

[CoupeKing]

5 weeks ago they were vaccine experts.

Now they're nuclear physicist's with a PhD in European history.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by zilo

Same old...same old...Biden rubbish about how Putin MIGHT use chemical weapons...yeah right...same as Sadam Hussein had nuclear bombs.

If you believe this crap you believe anything.

We will just overlook the fact that a lot of "civilians" killed just happen to be armed to the teeth with weapons..

Was just thinking, how amazing it is that western intelligence have been able to narrate the events before it happens.....pretty much with 100% accuracy.

Yet nobody had a clue of a wildly infectious disease that was doing the rounds.

[T3rminator]

October is still a long time way......but wow if this happens.

‘Russia invited’: Vladimir Putin plans to attend G20 in Bali
https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia...23-p5a74z.html

[marty351]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Was just thinking, how amazing it is that western intelligence have been able to narrate the events before it happens.....pretty much with 100% accuracy.

Yet nobody had a clue of a wildly infectious disease that was doing the rounds.

There's nothing better than a good diversion from the politics at home. (Hillary, Hunter, inflation, etc.)

[Cav]

So what are the Russians saying?


Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: Russian units fully took control of the city of Izyum in the Kharkiv region

Arina Korf today at 10:36

The Agency held a morning briefing on the situation in Ukraine

The Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation held a briefing on Ukraine, which highlighted the main events by the morning of 24 March in the special military operation. This was told by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Major General Igor Konashenkov.

The department reported on the disclosure of new facts proving the direct involvement of the US Department of Defense in the development of components biological weapons in Ukraine.

In the nearest Ministry of Defense will publish original documents demonstrating that the biological project "Yu-PI-2", conducted in Ukrainian laboratories, was developed and approved in the Pentagon. The purpose of this project, according to the agency, was to conduct a molecular analysis of especially dangerous infections endemic to Ukraine.

What else was reported in the Ministry of Defense:
– Russian aviation hit 60 military facilities of Ukraine, including two command posts, during the night;

- The Russian military shot down two more Ukrainian drones during the night;

– Since the beginning of the special operation, the Russian Armed Forces have destroyed 257 drones, 202 anti-aircraft missile systems, 1,572 tanks and other combat vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine;

- The Russian military destroyed 13 more launchers of anti-aircraft missile systems in Ukraine with high-precision weapons.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Cav

In the nearest Ministry of Defense will publish original documents demonstrating that the biological project "Yu-PI-2", conducted in Ukrainian laboratories, was developed and approved in the Pentagon. The purpose of this project, according to the agency, was to conduct a molecular analysis of especially dangerous infections endemic to Ukraine.
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Interesting updates Cav, where are you getting these from?

This part makes me think about Baba Vanga's prediction. She forsaw the great pandemic coming from siberia once the snow has melted.

Its also a very specific claim hmmmmmm