FG Falcon MKII - Page 12

**Polyal** · 16-09-2011, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

As this update will be coming later this years, I'm just wondering how this media release will affect the sales of the current FG until then. Holden seems to keep very quiet about new releases, like they did with the two VE updates in the last year.

Unfortunately there are two model names that compete with the one Commodore name (which includes both sedans and wagons), so Ford will always be at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to quoting numbers sold, particularly the traditional Falcon vs. Commodore comparison. Publications such as Carsguide being biased toward Holden tend to use these comparisons to the detriment of Ford.

At the end of the day I think the things that should be compared are what cars have their R&D and manufacturing done here. Therefore Commy/Caprice vs Falcon/Tez.

The cruze is a good PR thing for Holden but building it here is one thing, R&D brings just as much money and employment with it.

Thats about the only ratio I care about to be honest.

**Silver Ghia** · 16-09-2011, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polyal

At the end of the day I think the things that should be compared are what cars have their R&D and manufacturing done here. Therefore Commy/Caprice vs Falcon/Tez.

The cruze is a good PR thing for Holden but building it here is one thing, R&D brings just as much money and employment with it.

Thats about the only ratio I care about to be honest.

Unfortunately the comparisons dont showCommy/Caprice vs Falcon/Tez, and so the usual comparisons will prevail.

But agree, the R&D and support that Ford does here in Aus for Ford global brings in lots for Ford and Australia, but does nothing for the public perception of Ford who doesnt realise or even care about that side of things. And yes, the spin in saying "Australias own Cruze" or words to that effect does suck the public in to buy those cars.

Dr Smith · 16-09-2011, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Love it, just seen the dealer release and there's some interesting surprises in there too

Quote:

Originally Posted by DASH GT

Sharing is caring!

x 2, please.

mcnews · 16-09-2011, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveJH

And I wont be surprised if its quicker then the standard I6 in the xr6/xt/g6 etc.

A friend of mine that works in development for a supplier mentioned to me recently that the proving ground boys had been really surprised by the potency of the four-cylinder Falcon. He mentioned something about tuning it to make it a little more mellow. He doesn't speak crap and doesn't exaggerate anything, but it is third hand information so not something I would wager on, but it sounded good.

dimka100 · 16-09-2011, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

There was a sweet 50th anni G6E Turbo for sale in the second hand yards at work with 7000km on it going for 33 k. Considered it but i'm not ready to buy yet.

OMG! That’s is 33K for a car that’s almost new and was selling for well over 50K brand new just 6 months ago. That’s exactly the perfect example of depreciation that’s just way too big to let go no matter how good the car is.

**Silver Ghia** · 16-09-2011, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimka100

OMG! That’s is 33K for a car that’s almost new and was selling for well over 50K brand new just 6 months ago. That’s exactly the perfect example of depreciation that’s just way too big to let go no matter how good the car is.

Remember though that is the value of the car when you go and sell it. In the meantime, I know for myself with my FGXR50, they are worth much more than the market value. I'm not intending to sell mine for some years.

And also, if you bought a new Beemer or similar, look at how much you lose in the first years with those cars!

SteveJH · 16-09-2011, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcnews

A friend of mine that works in development for a supplier mentioned to me recently that the proving ground boys had been really surprised by the potency of the four-cylinder Falcon. He mentioned something about tuning it to make it a little more mellow. He doesn't speak crap and doesn't exaggerate anything, but it is third hand information so not something I would wager on, but it sounded good.

Not surprised, especially given what some of the Turbocharged Euro and Japanese I4's make.

And this engine should be a generation newer then most of those.

Bobman · 16-09-2011, 06:07 PM

Some other tidbits:

* Improved sound insulation - have they just used a thicker material or put it in more places?

* Lower grille on G6ET looks like a drain according to many non-car friends and this comment was made with the first FG, but it's more obvious on this update. I think it's grown too large.

* Both XR6 NA and XR6T now share the same 18" wheels; just like the BA XR6 NA/XR6T and XR8 did with their 17" wheels. Wonder how many will option up the new style 19" wheels? Considering there were plenty of XR6Ts with the standard audio system (no colour screen).

Quote:

Originally Posted by ltd

it's just a pity the station wagon isn't there for companies like telstra.

I wonder why they couldn't use the Territory? Victoria police have plenty of them and it fills that void that the departing Falcon Wagon left as well as the small cargo area of the Commodore Sportswagon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seduce XR6

Given its the same bonnet & guards I wonder how many XR6 owners for example will simply get a FGII front bar, grill & lights as it will still be an XR6 & not a FPV look alike.

Probably the same amount who purchased BF front-ends on their BAs - only a few. Better off just buying the whole car

SteveJH · 16-09-2011, 06:09 PM

If I bought one I don't think i'd *want* 19" wheels. Even easier to damage a tyre/rim then with 18's.

duaned · 16-09-2011, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveJH

If I bought one I don't think i'd *want* 19" wheels. Even easier to damage a tyre/rim then with 18's.

Especially on Newcastle roads! I wonder if Ford have put some effort in the series 2 in relation to the poor build quality and interior plastics? I would imagine not as these issues still plague the new Territory and has been a shortcut Ford have taken since the AU. Even with that big 8 inch screen the interior still looks dated and just not right IMO. I assume the motor mags will agree.

Dr Smith · 16-09-2011, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimka100

OMG! That’s is 33K for a car that’s almost new and was selling for well over 50K brand new just 6 months ago. That’s exactly the perfect example of depreciation that’s just way too big to let go no matter how good the car is.

I'd assume that would be for Ford employees/families and not for general public. I think it works out as Ford employee pricing, less any payments made by current driver/staffer (eg. if a lease car) leaving balance. So it never started off as a car sold at retail pricing.

Gobes32 · 16-09-2011, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I'd assume that would be for Ford employees/families and not for general public. I think it works out as Ford employee pricing, less any payments made by current driver/staffer (eg. if a lease car) leaving balance. So it never started off as a car sold at retail pricing.

Correct, and sometimes you have to pay fringe benefits too.

oddnutz · 16-09-2011, 08:12 PM

i like the XT and the XR6 i think they look sweet and better than the FG, I am not as keen on the G6E . The XT certainly is not a povo pack anymore great features for a base model falcon.

Just need the G8E and XR8 with the N/A 5.0

not the best photoshop job

mmmm a Sprint option for the XR8 would be sweet lol
- XR8 Sprint badges and a supercharged 5.0 with quad exhaust

Bobman · 16-09-2011, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duaned

Especially on Newcastle roads! I wonder if Ford have put some effort in the series 2 in relation to the poor build quality and interior plastics? I would imagine not as these issues still plague the new Territory and has been a shortcut Ford have taken since the AU. Even with that big 8 inch screen the interior still looks dated and just not right IMO. I assume the motor mags will agree.

The AU had much better quality plastics. It wasn't the rough on your skin type crap that they have used on the BA-onwards. The EF-EL had much better quality interior plastics too.

I'm no fan of the SFH windows either, compared to the quality Pilkington we had in the E-series, but what can you do!?

By the way, the over-size lower grille reminds me of:

galaxy xr8 · 16-09-2011, 08:20 PM

Look's good oddnutz, love the bulge.

FPV8U · 16-09-2011, 08:31 PM

That XR8 looks soooooo good.

Joe5619 · 16-09-2011, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oddnutz

i like the XT and the XR6 i think they look sweet and better than the FG, I am not as keen on the G6E . The XT certainly is not a povo pack anymore great features for a base model falcon.

Just need the G8E and XR8 with the N/A 5.0

not the best photoshop job

mmmm a Sprint option for the XR8 would be sweet lol
- XR8 Sprint badges and a supercharged 5.0 with quad exhaust

I've never been a fan of the bulge on the FG, but on the FGII front it looks very very nice!! Just a shame the FPV changes are still 12 months away..

vztrt · 16-09-2011, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

No mention at all of the FGII in todays Carsguide, only more mentions of doom and gloom with Falcon, but thats probably to be expected from them.

They will probably have a full page spread next week on it.

malazn mafia · 16-09-2011, 08:39 PM

Does that ICC and cluster look like a drop in replacement to FG1? Would be a nice addition to my BA

BAFrod · 16-09-2011, 08:43 PM

Just from what I've seen today, this would be my dream FG2 XR6T:

Lowered
Debadged
Upper Grille from G6
Lower Grille from G6 (not G6E! Maybe cutout centre to display cooler?)
Mirror Indicators from G6E
Badges (?) to cover side indicators

Please ignore the crappy chop job!

FPV8U · 16-09-2011, 09:05 PM

I do really like the optional 19" wheel option, can see a set of those in my XR8's future.

Seduce XR6 · 16-09-2011, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

you're forgiven lol

ty

Seduce XR6 · 16-09-2011, 09:51 PM

I would love to see a lower diff ratio either standard or available as an option on the XR6 (LSD) of course so they have a bit more get up & go than an XT lol

Seduce XR6 · 16-09-2011, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAFrod

Just from what I've seen today, this would be my dream FG2 XR6T:

Lowered
Debadged
Upper Grille from G6
Lower Grille from G6 (not G6E! Maybe cutout centre to display cooler?)
Mirror Indicators from G6E
Badges (?) to cover side indicators

Please ignore the crappy chop job!

NICE but you forgot the dark tint

Bobman · 16-09-2011, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seduce XR6

NICE but you forgot the dark tint

Lol, it's already enough of a cop magnet as is with that picture.

BAFrod · 16-09-2011, 10:14 PM

Hah, feel free to tint it for me, I wasn't about to try with my paint skills... And anyone could chop in some typhoon rims as well...

HaLLiS · 16-09-2011, 10:49 PM

fg2 looks great. When do we see the fpv versions?

f1tzy · 16-09-2011, 11:01 PM

When i first saw the pics i thought it was shockingly ugly but in a matter of 1 day its starting to massively grow on me in the xr versions.

gtfpv · 16-09-2011, 11:07 PM

Pictures arent taken at the same viewing angle as the MKI so i'll reserve my judgement , i'm not sold on the wheels at all , all the mkii wheels look worse ( cheaper than the mki wheels) except for the fact that they are all bigger wheels , something i dont like, why have higher tyre running expenses when the 17's and 18s on mki's were more than sufficient . also not a fan of the touchscreen , it looks too big , and i dont like the idea of any touch screen in a car .
the mkii looks bland in comparison to the MKI . BUT LIKE I SAID IT MIGHT BE JUST THE PICTURE QUALITY

b0son · 16-09-2011, 11:29 PM

I was wondering why the XR front end looked familiar... and then it dawned on me...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ommodore_S.jpg