Picked up a new D-Max - Page 6

Tassie f100 · 06-09-2022, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

I beg to differ, as a person who owner operated several H and one W series Holden panel vans everyday doing high speed courier work.

Sorry roKWiz,but the Holden utes and vans were on seperate chassis unlike the sedan and wagon which were unibody.

roKWiz · 06-09-2022, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Sorry roKWiz,but the Holden utes and vans were on seperate chassis unlike the sedan and wagon which were unibody.

Thats what he is comparing them to and HENCE my comment !

Tassie f100 · 06-09-2022, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

Thats what he is comparing them to and HENCE my comment !

Sorry I misread the comment.I thought he was saying that unibodies were better for NVH etc

Vesper Martini · 06-09-2022, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

you can really tell the difference in a car park when steering a Thailand Special with how many turns of the wheel you have to make.

I notice this too especially on small roundabouts etc its a big factor in the driving experience for me.

I always put it down to the extra wheelbase they have, but it looks to be only around 400mm or less would that really make all the difference?

prydey · 06-09-2022, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

I notice this too especially on small roundabouts etc its a big factor in the driving experience for me.

I always put it down to the extra wheelbase they have, but it looks to be only around 400mm or less would that really make all the difference?

Surely it would be down to the ratio in the steering box? Number of turns, lock to lock would have nothing to do with the type of vehicle.

fiestaz · 06-09-2022, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Surely it would be down to the ratio in the steering box? Number of turns, lock to lock would have nothing to do with the type of vehicle.

My guess slower ratio for 4wding and less chance of upsetting such a big vehicle with a quick ratio steering box.

fiestaz · 06-09-2022, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

Rarely ones that are new enough to still have a warranty.
I've done a fair bit of camping and proper 4x4ing. To the point where one of us will get stuck almost every time we go out.

Hardly ever see modern 4x4's with $20,000 worth of accessories on these tracks.
We see them at the camp sites though. Maybe they just leave after us in the morning and return to camp before us in the afternoon and only go on tracks we don't use.

I live near some 4wd tracks (in fact they are across the road from my house). From what I see it’s a mixture of new and old.

However, I wouldn’t blame anyone in a 4wd wanting to avoid more difficult tracks that risk getting stuck or breaking something, especially if they need to drive that vehicle to work on Monday. A good friend plays by this rule, but still gets to where he would like to go.

Vesper Martini · 06-09-2022, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Surely it would be down to the ratio in the steering box? Number of turns, lock to lock would have nothing to do with the type of vehicle.

In order to drive around a small roundabout in a longer vehicle you need to take a wider swing - meaning more steering work.

Gasso should know this....

But yes I think their ratio has a lot to do with it too

Vesper Martini · 06-09-2022, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fiestaz

My guess slower ratio for 4wding and less chance of upsetting such a big vehicle with a quick ratio steering box.

Certainly for pre power steering but I would have thought technology with power steering would have overcome this by now, theses things don't have EPAS do they?

prydey · 06-09-2022, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

In order to drive around a small roundabout in a longer vehicle you need to take a wider swing - meaning more steering work.

Gasso should know this....

But yes I think their ratio has a lot to do with it too

We're not talking trucks though are we. It's just a ute. A fairlane would've been longer...

I think there's a lot of strawman arguments in this thread.

Vesper Martini · 06-09-2022, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

We're not talking trucks though are we. It's just a ute. A fairlane would've been longer...

I think there's a lot of strawman arguments in this thread.

I think you need to drive one to know what I'm talking about Prydey.

see my post 9:45am I do state the wheelbase is not that much longer than a Falcon.

Dr Smith · 06-09-2022, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

I beg to differ, as a person who owner operated several H and one W series Holden panel vans everyday doing high speed courier work.

Are you saying those Holdens are worse for ride and NVH over the average current crop of utes?

Dr Smith · 06-09-2022, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

Sorry I misread the comment.I thought he was saying that unibodies were better for NVH etc

I was saying a unibody is better for NVH over a ladder frame chassis.

Ben73 · 06-09-2022, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fiestaz

I live near some 4wd tracks (in fact they are across the road from my house). From what I see it’s a mixture of new and old.

However, I wouldn’t blame anyone in a 4wd wanting to avoid more difficult tracks that risk getting stuck or breaking something, especially if they need to drive that vehicle to work on Monday. A good friend plays by this rule, but still gets to where he would like to go.

That is a fair point. I was worried about this too. My 4wd ended up being a second car and not my daily. The theory was if I broke something I could still get about in day to day life. Maybe I was lucky but I never broke anything.
It gives me more confidence to off road my daily. I guess I would still be more careful if it was my only car.

On the topic of steering rotation, utes are pretty bad with this although the Ranger is one of the better ones. You seem to only have to rotate it as much as a car. However it still doesn’t turn as shape due to the wheel base. This caught me out 20 minutes after I bought my Ranger. Came to the end of a cul-de-sac and causally went to turn around like I would in any other car. Half way around I realised I wasn’t going to make it. Would not have been too bad if it wasn’t out the front of some extremely busy train station in Sydney during the afternoon peak.

XR Martin · 06-09-2022, 07:42 PM

Wheelbase on a Ranger is about 30cm longer than a Fairlane/Falcon wagon.
The wider and taller wheels also make a difference to turning circle.
Track between the two is similar. (new Ranger is a bit wider now)

roKWiz · 07-09-2022, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Are you saying those Holdens are worse for ride and NVH over the average current crop of utes?

Weren't you saying that a body on frame vehicle will never handle better than a unibody vehicle ?

Tassie f100 · 07-09-2022, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

That is a fair point. I was worried about this too. My 4wd ended up being a second car and not my daily. The theory was if I broke something I could still get about in day to day life. Maybe I was lucky but I never broke anything.
It gives me more confidence to off road my daily. I guess I would still be more careful if it was my only car.

On the topic of steering rotation, utes are pretty bad with this although the Ranger is one of the better ones. You seem to only have to rotate it as much as a car. However it still doesn’t turn as shape due to the wheel base. This caught me out 20 minutes after I bought my Ranger. Came to the end of a cul-de-sac and causally went to turn around like I would in any other car. Half way around I realised I wasn’t going to make it. Would not have been too bad if it wasn’t out the front of some extremely busy train station in Sydney during the afternoon peak.

I think the increased turning circle is because the front C/V joints can’t handle real tight angles so the steering angle has to be decreased to avoid problems

Franco Cozzo · 07-09-2022, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tassie f100

I think the increased turning circle is because the front C/V joints can’t handle real tight angles so the steering angle has to be decreased to avoid problems

With the Thailand Specials its still a lot more turning of the steering wheel for less turning of the wheels compared to cars and SUVs regardless of the decreased maximum steering angle.

Dr Smith · 08-09-2022, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by roKWiz

Weren't you saying that a body on frame vehicle will never handle better than a unibody vehicle ?

Sorry, I can see in re-reading it I wasn't that clear, what I meant was unibody will almost always handle better and be quieter than ladder on frame...ladder on frame will almost always sit higher, weigh more, etc...It's hard to compare today as I can quickly only think of the new US only Maverick as a unibody ute but I'd be surprised if the Ranger outhandled it and yes Ranger is bigger, higher etc..

kevino · 08-09-2022, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Sorry, I can see in re-reading it I wasn't that clear, what I meant was unibody will almost always handle better and be quieter than ladder on frame...ladder on frame will almost always sit higher, weigh more, etc...It's hard to compare today as I can quickly only think of the new US only Maverick as a unibody ute but I'd be surprised if the Ranger outhandled it and yes Ranger is bigger, higher etc..

Really. Isn’t Maverick based on the Focus.
Surely a Maverick will outhandle Ranger?
Why do you think that?

Dr Smith · 08-09-2022, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kevino

Really. Isn’t Maverick based on the Focus.
Surely a Maverick will outhandle Ranger?
Why do you think that?

Yes, I think the Maverick will outhandle a Ranger easily....

Vesper Martini · 09-09-2022, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Yes, I think the Maverick will outhandle a Ranger easily....

Plus Maverick would undoubtedly be lighter with less robust suspension parts and running road tyres as opposed to ATRs, and I believe they have IRS

So 100% it will out handle a Ranger

Bossxr8 · 09-09-2022, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesper Martini

Plus Maverick would undoubtedly be lighter with less robust suspension parts and running road tyres as opposed to ATRs, and I believe they have IRS

So 100% it will out handle a Ranger

I'm pretty sure only the AWD has IRS. The front driver is a beam axle i'm pretty sure.