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What annoys me is people that have no idea their speedo is inaccurate, so they sit 5 or 10 under the indicated speed, which in reality means they are in a different speed zone altogether! Which means they may be doing as little as 60 in an 80 zone, which is perfectly legal, thopugh extremely annoying to every other user on the roads and can and does lead to accidents as described by MAD (assuming good conditions, otherwise good traffic flow etc).
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Mid North Coast
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Traffic fines have what is called 'strict liability' attached, which means you do not have to intend to break the law to be found guilty of the offence, so you do not have to 'intend' to speed, run a red light or drive an unregistered car. But if you do you are guilty of the offence. A perfect example, might be missing a change of speed sign, were the speed limit changed but you missed it, thinking you are still fine doing 100km/hr, but you are in an 80km/hr zone, even though your mind is guilt free and you think you are doing the right thing, you are still guilty of the offence by the fact that you are speeding. Another example would be not realising your car is unregistered when it ran out yesterday etc etc In your example of the bank teller, the robber might have intended to kill the person but they did not, so they can not be charged with 'murder', but 'intend to murder'. Should the robber be successful in killing the teller, but they only intended to fire warning shots (or may be shoot up in the air and the bullet bounced off a steel beam in the roof killing a customer), they might only be charged with manslaughter, or may be 'recklessly causing death' or similar, as there was no intend to kill anyone at the time of pulling the trigger.
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Petro-sexual
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Melbourne
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I didn't know that detail regarding traffic offenses. I've always understood that ignorance is not an excuse (ie. Missing a change of speed zone) but it seems to me like it should be different when a measuring device needs to be used to assist our judgement. Now, if cars were not fitted with a device and it was up to the user to supply the method, it would make more sense. It certainly explains why it is OK to intend to speed without actually speeding, as in my examples. |
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Currently in Greece. I was travelling 50km/h over the limit. Overtaken by everyone. No stuffs given.
Also some people claiming that police speed measuring devices take off a certain amount for inaccuracy are kidding themselves. Search 'Lidar Slippage effect' and you will see that recording stationary objects as moving is not hard at all. This is then effected on vehicles if the lidar beam is 'slipped' from the roof to the grill or from the rear to the front. The amount of variation this can produce in the reading is alarming. |
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