is this legal

[mrbaxr6t]

OK we have well established that radar detectors are illegal as its seems to be expressly outlined as such, but what about this device

http://www.antilaser.info/

it appears to be some sort of laser scrambler/jammer preventing the guns from measuring your speed (in theory will work with speed camera cars too as they use laser to determine speed afaik) I have done some digging into the road rules and such and there is no explicit "rule" that deems these illegal that I found - radar detectors are illegal without doubt but this seems to possibly not be. Legal eagles is this illegal? yes or no?

[UNR8D]

Interesting, id be keen to hear the responses to this.

Setup as a parking device?.. Unless they could prove it being a radar detector as such I doubt they would have much ground to stand on legally.

From what I understand of it, they run on same frequency or similar to block the lidar beam?

[T3man]

Any device that transmits or receives including devices that involve "bending" the signal from a law enforcement device (radar/lidar) is deemed illegal. I can't point you to the Act but believe me it IS there. I have a friend who tried this in court and he lost. He claimed it was only a parking sensor but he lost because the device didn't have the EEC electrical interference compliance/standard stamped on it.

[flappist]

Which state?

In QLD it is definitely illegal.

[geckoGT]

Includes an audio visual and processor circuit. The audio-visual circuit is made of a speaker and two LED diodes (green and red), switch and key button and serve as notification of being targeted by a LIDAR.

When mounting the inner unit, three factors should be taken into account.
The unit must be accessible, it must be positioned so that it can be turned on and off easily. It must be positioned so that it is within the driver’s sight, so that the driver can see the red warning LED light up when targeted. The speaker must be uncovered in order for the warning sound to be heard.

225 Using radar detectors and similar devices
(1) A person must not drive a vehicle if the vehicle, or trailer
being towed by the vehicle, has in or on it a device for
preventing the effective use of a speed measuring device, or
a device for detecting the use of a speed measuring device,
unless the person is exempt from this rule under another law
of this jurisdiction.
Offence provision.
Note Drive includes be in control of — see the definition in the
dictionary.
(2) A person who is travelling in or on a vehicle or trailer must
not have in his or her possession a device for preventing the
effective use of a speed measuring device, or a device for
detecting the use of a speed measuring device, unless the
person is exempt from this rule under another law of this
jurisdiction.
Offence provision.
(3) Subrules (1) and (2) apply whether or not the device is
operating or in working order.
Note Under the law of this jurisdiction, radar detectors and similar
devices may be subject to confiscation.

The first two quotes are from the manufacturer website, the last is the Australian Road Rules 2008.

As the device both detects and interferes with speed detection equipment it is clearly illegal. Of course not all states follow all elements of the Australian Road Rules but you can just about bet this bit is in them, check your state laws.

[FPV8U]

Impressive results with the Video but i can't help but feel it would bring alot of attention to you from the Fuzz even when you were doing nothing wrong.

[castellan]

Constitutionally illegal or is it just the state deeming it illegal. until some one with a lot of money can over turn it.
Having a DETECTOR does not have anything to do with interfering with or anything to do with safety.
The gov are bringing in new hair brain laws every year.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by castellan

Constitutionally illegal or is it just the state deeming it illegal. until some one with a lot of money can over turn it.
Having a DETECTOR does not have anything to do with interfering with or anything to do with safety.
The gov are bringing in new hair brain laws every year.

The Australian Road Rules are the model rules that State road laws are based on, therefore if it is illegal in these, it is a fair bet it is illegal in the individual states.

If you refer the extract of the australian road laws in my previous post, it does not only refer to "detectors" but "a device for
preventing the effective use of a speed measuring device, or
a device for detecting the use of a speed measuring device". This device both detect and interferes with speed detection devices so therefore, it is illegal.

Good luck trying to defend that one.

[geckoGT]

NSW

225 Australian Road Rule not reproduced

* * * * *
Note 1. Rule 225 (Using radar detectors and similar devices) of the Australian Road Rules has not been reproduced in these Rules. This rule has been left blank in order to preserve uniformity of numbering with the Australian Road Rules.
Rule 225 of the Australian Road Rules is unnecessary in this jurisdiction because section 48 (2) of the Act makes it an offence for a person to drive a motor vehicle, or cause a motor vehicle or trailer to stand, on a road or road related area if a prohibited speed measuring evasion article is fitted or applied to, or carried in, the vehicle or trailer.

QLD

225 Using radar detectors and similar devices
(1) A person must not drive a vehicle if the vehicle, or a trailer
being towed by the vehicle, has in or on it—
(a) a device for preventing the effective use of a speed
measuring device; or
(b) a device for detecting the use of a speed measuring
device.
Maximum penalty—40 penalty units.
(2) A person who is travelling in or on a vehicle or trailer must
not have in the person’s possession a device for preventing the
effective use of a speed measuring device, or a device for
detecting the use of a speed measuring device.
Maximum penalty—40 penalty units.
(3) Subsections (1) and (2) apply whether or not the device is
operating or in working order.

Vic

1) A person must not own, sell, use or possess a device the sole or principal
purpose of which is-

(a) to prevent the effective use of a prescribed road safety camera or a
prescribed speed detector; or

(b) to detect when a prescribed speed detector is being used.

SA

225—Using radar detectors and similar devices
(1) A person must not drive a vehicle if the vehicle, or a trailer being towed by the
vehicle, has in or on it a device for preventing the effective use of a speed measuring
device, or a device for detecting the use of a speed measuring device, unless the
person is exempt from this rule under another law of this jurisdiction.

So far, all illegal and they are all modeled on the Australian Road Rules so I see no need to continue. They are illegal!

[mrbaxr6t]

thanks for clearing that up gecko

Thought they would be illegal here can't have people avoiding the revenue rais.. er life saving speed cameras and other devices yes thats it.

[Iggypoppin']

i just thought up a bit of a technicality to the SA law regarding radar detectors. tie it from a peice of string and drive with it dangling then its not technically "in" or "on" the car, and as such cannot be used as grounds to convict

i just kid people..

[GT-E]

I believe that any "jamming" device is a criminal offence as it hinders an officer in his execution of their duties (or similar offence)
This is what I was told by a NSW cop.

[sxckevo]

i don't see the point the cops are going to know straight away that you have something blocking it judging by the videos : it will probably make you cop bait

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by GT-E

I believe that any "jamming" device is a criminal offence as it hinders an officer in his execution of their duties (or similar offence)
This is what I was told by a NSW cop.

I guess the cop could try and put that spin on it but why would he bother when NSW road law clearly states they are illegal, a much easier charge to make stick. How long ago were you told that, could it have been before they had the legislation in the road laws?

thanks for clearing that up gecko

No probs, you are most welcome.

[kezzer]

so would this be feasible in our cars?? Surely you could use it, then if ya get pulled over stuff it down your pants haha

[mrbaxr6t]

Originally Posted by GT-E

I believe that any "jamming" device is a criminal offence as it hinders an officer in his execution of their duties (or similar offence)
This is what I was told by a NSW cop.

getting a speeding infringement for 2kmh over the limit hinders me in my execution of my duties - also is it just me who feels accused every time they point one of those things at me ? and I have to PROVE myself innocent? I feel this goes against the legal premise of "innocent until proven guilty" in the case of road rules it seems "guilty until disproven" thing is its them that have all the technological advantages and anything that we can have to even things up is against the law. I don't like the setup at all speed cameras both static and mobile everywhere a speed detecting device on every patrol car and unknowing motorists everywhere commuting from place to place - shooting fish in a barrel springs to mind.

[Ozzyiceman]

Are Sat Nav devices that 'detect' red light and/or speed camera's legal or illegal then?

[Giant Cranium]

no because there are 3 great big signs telling you they are coming up.
they are also not detecting them.
annnnd you will find them in you street directory

[mrbaxr6t]

Originally Posted by Ozzyiceman

Are Sat Nav devices that 'detect' red light and/or speed camera's legal or illegal then?

they are not "detecting" them they are fixed position and as such are in street directories and the maps of gpses its the mobiles and the patrol car placements that sting that is what we need something to "see" or detect or whatever I would much prefer hearing a "beep" and going oh check my speed 2kmh over slow 2kms no fine no ATM in my back pocket. They don't want us knowing where they are because then we can make sure we are not inadvertently speeding past them by a minescule amount and copping a cash rip straight from your back pocket.

In Victoria unmarked camera cars are operated by a private company - pretty sure they would like to make money to cover their expenses.

ALSO I don't see a difference to seeing a mobile speed trap and broadcasting its location on a CB radio or texting every number in your mobile phone telling everybody where it is. you have "detected" it with your eyes are we not allowed to see them now because we have "detected" them which we are not allowed to do :

sorry but this stuff really grinds my gears I am not a damn ATM

[Ozzyiceman]

Here's something that does the usual GPS/Sat Nav red light camera alerts etc, but also pinpoints the most commonly used 'mobile' speed camera locations!

Interesting read! check it out and for sale on crazysales.com.au for about $127 approx

http://www.alertegps.com.au/gps_details.asp?prod=G200

[castellan]

Scrambler or jammer would be illegal.

But not a detector under the constitution.
It does not mater what the state or fed rules say they can be overturned. and have been.
The point of it being in your car is TOTAL rubbish.
When a gov makes a law, it can be challenged.
So unless Hitler or the red's won the war, it would be so.
So we won the war but are we just loosing the battle.
Any detector in QLD is useless against our in car radar.
We end up getting more and more stupid dam fool laws added to another with out it being thoroughly tested.
It just happens to be some government fool jumping around making them up to please the average deluded idiot.

[jpd80]

Radar detectors are illegal in Queensland, and have been so for nearly 20 years.
In order to make detectors more effective they send out a wave to actively search
for speed measuring devices and as such contravene the broadcasting act.

The police can detect any active radar detectors and jammers, have done for years
and get great joy in confiscating units from bewildered motorists who don't know the law.
Only a fool would argue with a constable and his partner by the side of a road,
it can only end one way - badly.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Radar detectors are illegal in Queensland, and have been so for nearly 20 years.
In order to make detectors more effective they send out a wave to actively search
for speed measuring devices and as such contravene the broadcasting act.

The police can detect any active radar detectors and jammers, have done for years
and get great joy in confiscating units from bewildered motorists who don't know the law.
Only a fool would argue with a constable and his partner by the side of a road,
it can only end one way - badly.

Nice spin.

In actual fact the Highway Patrol vehicles are fitted with a broad band reciever called a Stalcar Spectre III.
This device listens for the various intermediate frequency oscillators of different radar detectors and triggers an alarm if it detects a signal.
It is a reciever only and does not send out any "wave" (which is probably a good thing because that would be detectable and as it is not a speed measuring device detection would be legal, instant police car detector)

It is also quit prone to false readings from other devices that emit RF energy in the appropriate range such as harmonics of radio transmitters, alarm systems, automatic doors, PLC and embedded computer systems etc. much in the way that many radar detectors show false readings.
Because of this (and a few rather embarressing mistakes) the officers are trained to use a bit of common sense when they suspect that a vehicle is fitted with a radar detector. Most coppers are good at detecting liars and most "normal" people are bad at lying so a quick window side interview usually sorts the wheat from the chaff.
They also know what sort of things give false readings and if not sure have their own radio and radar techs who can advise them.

P.S. I have a KR10 mobile radar for sale if anyone wants it. Just print some speeding tickets and you could set up your own small business making the roads safer but remember the government does NOT like competition

[castellan]

I think most people know this jpd80.

Hear is a scenario. the government decide that all doll bludgers are going to be deported out of the country.
If the media or people don't get upset, it can become law and it will be done.
But it maybe against the Constitution to do so.

But until some one goes to the high court and challenges it. then it would be overturned. :
The gov can make laws.
But they don't have the right to whatever they please just because they are in power of the elected government. hear in australia.
They do a lot of this type of stuff, and are getting away with it.
We have a she will be right attitude hear. and maybe the 1930's Germans had the same attitude.

[superpursuit83]

Come to WA and enjoy the freedom of being allowed to have a radar detector.