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23-10-2008, 01:51 PM
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I just gave CAE (CASTLE AUTOMOTIVE ENTERPRISES) a call in regards to a replacement starter motor and alternators... and they are also willing to do a group discount aswell...
Basically whts on offer is the following: AU I6 factory replacement starter - $204.00 + freight AU I6 factory replacement alternator - $204.00 + freight AU I6 gear reduction starter motor (1.9hp) - $220 + freight Freight is approx $25.00 (tbc depending location) Individual prices for the following are: AU I6 factory replacement starter - $240.00 + freight AU I6 factory replacement alternator - $250.00 + freight AU I6 gear reduction starter motor (1.9hp) - $350 + freight Anyone interested in this being taken further? as i'm thinking about the gear reduction starter...
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23-10-2008, 02:19 PM
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Can you tell me whats so special about a gear reduction starter motor?
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23-10-2008, 02:36 PM
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Yeah im also interested in what they mean by gear reduction.
This plus the underdrive pulley kit could be great.
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23-10-2008, 03:39 PM
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would also like to know what is the gain from this
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23-10-2008, 03:45 PM
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Wikipedia:
The motor shaft has integrally-cut gear teeth forming a drive gear which mesh with a larger adjacent driven gear to provide a gear reduction ratio of 3.75:1. This permits the use of a higher-speed, lower-current, lighter and more compact motor assembly while increasing cranking torque. Actual picture: 
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23-10-2008, 04:35 PM
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so everyone knows.. EB-BA starter motors are the same bolt holes im let to believe.. but the starter it self is different (alot more compact in the later models)
i know BI6TIM put a BA item in his ED without any issues
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23-10-2008, 05:07 PM
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So what is the actual gain to be had from buying one? Is it purely that it is smaller in size, or is there an actual performance gain somewhere? Will it have a similar effect as the underdrive pulley, in that there will be less for the belt to do?
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23-10-2008, 05:11 PM
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Me thinks it follows the same idea as the under drive pulley...
The gearing makes it "lighter" Hence why this combined with the under drive pulley would be awesome for getting those rev's up a bit quicker.
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23-10-2008, 05:17 PM
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Group buys need to be approved by admin 1st unless the buy is with a site sponsor.
info here. http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=74553 I will leave thread open so you guy's can discuss starter motors, but no group buy will go ahead unless its been approved.
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23-10-2008, 05:57 PM
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all a starter motor does is starts the car, then the gear retracts once the car is started so there will be no performance gain to be had from this.
will require less battery voltage to crank over though
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23-10-2008, 06:30 PM
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The reason why i want one... is because they have more power to turn the engine over quicker... and for the saving that can incure on the upgrade... i'd love one...
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23-10-2008, 06:32 PM
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the benefit of a gear drive motor is lighter weight = better power to weight ratio;)
and i believe when running high compression it helps to have a geared motor to help crank the engine rather than killing your battery
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23-10-2008, 08:30 PM
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everyone on here drives overpowered boats anyway so a few kilo weight saving won't get sales :evil3:
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23-10-2008, 08:33 PM
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23-10-2008, 11:20 PM
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the B series starters bolt straight on and afaik are smaller and lighter, the wreckers have plenty. As far as weight goes, every kilo counts.
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24-10-2008, 12:35 AM
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Is anyone here actually saving every kilo they can for competition drags or circuit work???
IMO.Unless your running reasonably high compression in your engine i don't really see the need to get gear reduction starter motor. Is the money really worth the weight saving anyway? I think the money could be spent elsewhere and put to better use.
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24-10-2008, 11:06 AM
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24-10-2008, 07:27 PM
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I only asked, as it seems like a complete waste to replace a good starter with one of these purely to upgrade. |
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25-10-2008, 06:25 PM
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25-10-2008, 09:52 PM
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25-10-2008, 10:15 PM
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26-10-2008, 08:48 AM
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Firstly, the prices seem high. you can get a direct replacement Starter for about $120.
Secondly, All Falcon starters for 6's are essentially the same. (xk to BF) Lastly, (or thirdly), The Reduction starter offers more torque, faster rotation, lighter weight, more modern design, better quality. An excellent upgrade, when required. Like stated, why replace a perfectly good part. When you need a new starter, great idea to upgrade to something better! Mike
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26-10-2008, 09:58 AM
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plus i picked up a brand new alternator for $163 delivered from ebay and its great so the prices here seem high
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26-10-2008, 12:59 PM
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No problems peoples... the votes are in it seems... so mods... can this be locked or deleted...
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26-10-2008, 02:09 PM
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26-10-2008, 02:18 PM
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26-10-2008, 08:48 PM
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27-10-2008, 12:07 AM
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Here's a new reduction starter motor on ebay for $99, makes $220 look a bit steep.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Brand-New-Gea...d=p3286.c0.m14
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27-10-2008, 08:26 AM
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As for an alternator... whats the factory specification in size? is it 110amp? and how can i tell if mine is meant to be that?
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EOI - Starter Motor and Alternators - I6
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