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E-Gas Falcon may get upgraded auto as Albury tranmission plant goes under
By IAN PORTER 17 February 2009 FORD Australia is working feverishly on a solution after supplies of its four-speed automatic transmission were abruptly cut off on Monday. Albury-based Drivetrain Systems International (DSI) stopped production after it was placed in administration and receivership. DSI ran into trouble after its major customer, SsangYong, narrowly avoided bankruptcy in January by being granted protection from its creditors by a South Korean court. SsangYong has lost money in each of the past four quarters as sales of its sport utility vehicles fell sharply in response to fuel prices and, later, the global financial crisis. Ford uses the four-speed unit in about 30 per cent of all Falcons, mainly the E-gas LPG model and the Falcon wagon. It is also used in the rear-wheel-drive Territory. “We have the five-speed and the six-speed transmissions in our other vehicles, so we are looking at potentially changing the specs to use those transmissions,’’ said Ford spokeswoman Sinead McAlary. The six-speed comes from ZF and is found in a range of other high-powered cars including several BMWs and the Jaguar XF. The five-speed unit comes from Ford’s Bordeaux plant in France. Both transmissions are imported and, with the Australian dollar at relatively low levels, either choice would make for a more expensive Falcon. “We don’t want to go down a more expensive route,” Ms McAlary said, “but the most expensive option would be to close the plant.” “We will do what we have to do.” A switch to a five or six-speed transmission for the E-gas Falcons would likely require a new suite of calibration and certification tests, which could take some time. “That is something we are working through at the moment. We think it will be relatively easy, but it’s a matter of timing,” Ms McAlary said. The receiver appointed to DSI, Stephen Longley, of PricewaterhouseCoopers, laid off DSI’s 400 workers on Monday after he was appointed. He suspended production until he could reorganise operations and is aiming to resume production at the start of next week if he can make the necessary arrangements. “With the co-operation of customers and suppliers, trading is anticipated to resume in a reduced operation next week,” he said in a statement. “The receivers and managers will be talking with interested parties with the intention of selling the business as a going concern.” Ms McAlary would not be drawn on whether Ford would be prepared to make concessions on pricing to help DSI get back into production. She said Ford would be happy to continue using the DSI transmission, but that work had to continue on finding an alternative, in case DSI did not resume production. “The six speed is the better transmission, but there are whole lot of things we have to look at. We will do what we have to do to keep our plant operating.” DSI has survived a number of corporate failures and changes of ownership over the past 20 years. The company was created by the US parts conglomerate Borg-Warner in 1958 when it acquired the long-established engineering company Coote and Jorgenson. Borg-Warner Australia was listed on the Australian sharemarket until 1987 when it was acquired by the BTR Nylex group, which was led by Alan Jackson. When BTR Nylex had to go into a managed sell-down of its assets, the Albury gearbox manufacturer was sold to the Ion group in April, 2002. In 2003, the transmission plant employed 1100 people, but that number dropped sharply after Ford decided to use the imported ZF six-speed gearbox rather than a newly developed Ion six-speeder. The Ion group subsequently ran into financial difficulty and was forced to sell the transmission plant in February 2006 to a consortium of local and international investors in a deal believed to be worth around $70 million. http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257560001D8178 |
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Not good. I wish Ford had taken up the 6spd from ION as the base model transmission for the BF and then FG. This might have been enough volumes to stop this from happening.
It was also tested in a hybrid form for use in the SsangYong SUV's way back in 2004. Hopefully DSi will be saved, but if not. I sure hope that Ford fits the 6spd ZF gearbox to the EGas models. NB I just hope Ford update the LPG system in the process!
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I remember back in...2003 or 2004 I think it was, someone on a forum that shall remain nameless, stated that they had been at ION's test facility where there were prototype 6 speed auto Falcons running around but they kept on sh1tting themselves (the autos, not the person) and they believed them to be in "very early stages of development". It could be that, because the ION 6 speeder could not overcome durability issues, Ford went with the proven off the shelf ZF? |
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The ZF is a brilliant box and deserves it's place at the top of the pecking order.
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mmmmm not good, probably the first of many many suppliers that will struggle.
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The 5 speed auto will make a great addition the the E gas models, it should help boost sales.
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Only way I would consider a gas falcon is with the ZF. Every other box is absolute pox in comparison.
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I'm in two minds over this.
I don't think they should axe the 4-speeder just because their supplier goes belly-up, but i don't think they should eliminate the 5- or 6-speeders either. I think that both the 4,5 and 6 speeds (or at least the 4 and 5 or 4 and 6) should be available on the egas models. Taxi operators love the four-speeders, they are tough and reliable and in ba/bf form, report over half a mil easy out of a box. I'm sure the 6-speeder would cost a crapload more to replace and with all that changing would probably not last as long. anyway, just my 2c.
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death to taxi industry, get a aurion ffs |
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Ford knows that a huge, huge percentage of falcon buyers are fleet and taxi purposes. Thats why they don't mind. Holden on the other hand has said on numerous occasions that they don't supply a taxi pack as they don't want the commodore used as a taxi as it will bring the reputation of the commodore down. Add in with that Ford's long-standing global directive for use of alternative fuels and the continuous use of the bulletproof I6 and falcon=taxi.
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I think you will find that Ford DO mind the image issue associated with Falcon = Taxi.
Part of the reason for the collateral damage to the brand. What a "great" introduction to a non-ford / non-falcon buyer - jump in a taxi that stinks, has vinyl seats, has done 600,000km's and so weazes, shuders, corners like its on 3 legs and crashes over bumps. While many new falcon sales are taxi's - you will also find many are sourced as second hand units and then run until they stop. HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS CHOSE TO PAINT YOUR FALCON YELLOW? |
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Oh and bring on a DLPG Falcon with 6 speed and some updated direct injection technology.
What sort of economy and cost of ownership would this bring? What would be the need for diesel and 4 cylinder? Only thing you need would be to find a country that could provide a good lpg supply (i think there is a little off the north west shelf). The government could get real too and start providing some support and legislation for local companies to invest. |
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i again denounce death to taxi industry, purchase anything but a falcon PLEASE... .. for the sake of Ford Australia's future, move away from our falcons |
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Little sales are Falcon taxi's. I only saw 1 taxi pack on the line in 06.
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A terrible state of affairs regarding DSI and another sad story for Australian manufacturing. However, this has been coming from a long, long way off and is, in a nutshell, is symbolic for an industry that is basically stuffed. I had a fair insight into BTR and ION and won't go into detail in a public forum except to day that it was never going to end any other way. Pure economics, cold and simple.
Changing tact for a moment, the upside is that the ZF box is an absolute pearler. I'm constantly reminded of this when I hop from the GT into our Subaru Forester with its ancient and lumpy 4 speed auto. Urrrggghhh!!!!! |
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Im sure there are plently of wreckers around who can supply then with some used 4 speeds from E series falcons
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Taxis service hasn't destroyed the reputation of millions of E-class Mercs running around Europe and Africa as taxis.
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Ford Australia could always use GM 4-speed autos? ;)
They are resonably strong, but make the BTR unit seems like ZF-quality for actual operation .. |
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In fact, Mercedes Benz are fiercely protective of their taxi exclusivity and very proud.
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Yes - falcon taxi sales have reduced from the once exclusive domain they once were.
The reduced production line volume more to do with Ford's actions to not meet the desires of the taxi industry. As for Mercedes and their image - do you think it walks the brand down or do you think it walks up the perception of the taxi? I've been in many overseas - its because the primary image of MB is not a taxi. I really hope Ford get the gearbox and driveline spec right for LPG - it could be a winner. |
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DSI may survive. Also will be building a 6 speed auto.
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