Shaking In Steering Wheel

BFD83 · 26-02-2008, 11:48 PM

I just got new tyres put on on the weekend and had a wheel balance done aswel, but since then i have noticed this kinda shaking in the steering wheel when im driving on the highway and im not sure what it would be?

lukey · 27-02-2008, 12:02 AM

Warped rotors can cause this but if its only started when you put the wheels it probably wouldn't be that. Where the wheels aligned or just balanced?

BFD83 · 27-02-2008, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by lukey

Warped rotors can cause this but if its only started when you put the wheels it probably wouldn't be that. Where the wheels aligned or just balanced?

I know the rotors atm are pretty crap so thats more then likely the reason why its doin it then. nah i only had them aligned my mechanic said i didn't need them balanced.

whiskers · 27-02-2008, 09:22 AM

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i only had them aligned my mechanic said i didn't need them balanced.

mate you need to get the tyres balanced, just because they are new does not mean that they are perfectly round. go back to where you bought them from and get them to do it.

GK · 27-02-2008, 11:53 AM

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mate you need to get the tyres balanced, just because they are new does not mean that they are perfectly round. go back to where you bought them from and get them to do it.

Whiskers and the others are on the money. The tyres need to be balanced and if the problem persists, get the discs skimmed and if they're really low, replace them with some rda slotted items. Replace the pads at the same time.

All the best with it.

GK

FGII-XR6 · 27-02-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent83

nah i only had them aligned my mechanic said i didn't need them balanced.

was he wearing a striped ( butchers) apron? i'd get a new mechanic if i was you . any mechanic who makes such a stupid statement shouldn't be fixing rollerskates let alone a car

Racecraft · 27-02-2008, 12:03 AM

out of round rotors
transmission mount
intermediate steering shaft
but.......

if it has only happened with the tyres, I'd be rotating them to see if that fixes it

mik · 27-02-2008, 12:15 AM

they might have stuffed up the balancing, what Tibbo said swap the tyres around or borrow some wheels from a buddy and see what happens.

Chamelion · 27-02-2008, 09:07 AM

New tyres should generally mean a balance. Something that any tyre place worth their salt does as a 'free' courtesy when you buy tyres. Hell, my local second hand place even does this.

BFD83 · 27-02-2008, 08:22 PM

My mechanic is actually really good mate, when i got the alignment done they said there i didnt really need a balance there either so i dunno?

FGII-XR6 · 27-02-2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent83

My mechanic is actually really good mate, when i got the alignment done they said there i didnt really need a balance there either so i dunno?

he has you bluffed any mechanic ( and i use the term loosly here) who says you don't need a balance when tyres are fitted should retire. there is no such thing as a tyre that is perfectly balanced ALL tyres must be balanced . time to find a new mechanic if you value you car and you safety

duaned · 27-02-2008, 10:58 PM

I posted a thread where i was looking for answers for a similar problem. I found it was the tyres themselves, even after being balanced 4 times within the month by different companies! They were Kumho's, and boy I am glad they took them off!

Dave_Obsession · 29-03-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent83

My mechanic is actually really good mate, when i got the alignment done they said there i didnt really need a balance there either so i dunno?

if anything, it should have been the other way round.......get them balance, and you may not have needed an alignment....

WoodysXR6 · 29-03-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent83

My mechanic is actually really good mate,

That's the problem Brent. He's a Cowboy!

fordman_01 · 27-02-2008, 08:36 PM

yeh mines got the same problem when travelling past 70kms or when gunning it down the highway. it just starts shaking. i think i need a wheel alignment now

lukey · 27-02-2008, 08:56 PM

I may be wrong here but I got the same thing when I had hub adapters which caused vibrations in the steering wheel. So maybe a quick one to just check your wheel nuts are tight. I know with new wheels you should tighten them up after a few days you put them on anyway.

StealthAu · 27-02-2008, 09:24 PM

Mate your mechanic is a joke. Your problem will be you need to get them balanced

ebayholic · 29-03-2009, 10:56 AM

I have the same problem too...It only happened when i put tyre pressure to 36psi on a cold day on all 4 tyres of my EB
Then massive shaking problems on the freeway.
So i went back to 30 PSI on all 4 tyres and i think it might have slightly helped? But was still having the same problem so maybe the tyres are stuffed now and need a change? They still passed inspection when i gave it in for service...but they are no name brand tyres which say "max 140 kmhr" on em and 2 years ago Pedders told me they are "slightly out of round"

svo supporter · 29-03-2009, 11:18 AM

Wheel alignments have nothing to do with shaking what so ever. So that suggestion can be thrown over the shoulder. Unless of course it's that far out of wack, you'd screw the tyres within 20 K.

A tyre might have a heavy spot, as well as a rim. So when you pair the 2 up, you need weight on the rim to balance it out, so it doesn't shake. That simple. Very rarely you can put the 2 together and not need any weight on them.

Yes rotors sometimes cause a vibration while driving, without being on the brakes. Very rare these days. However if you do suspect these, have the rim/tyre assembly balanced on the car, providing it's not front wheel drive/4 wheel drive/all wheel drive.

Another shake problem maybe an out of round tyre. If that's the case and they are new, take them back and get replacements. They are covered by warranty, unless they're el-cheapo garbage.

The mechanic that said they don't need balancing. All I can say is if he's a good mate, I'd hate to hear what he'd say if he was an enemy.

Hope this helps .

ebayholic · 29-03-2009, 12:05 PM

The 2 tyres I bought were back in 2006 and the other 2 came with the car when i bought it in 2006

The whole 'out of round' problem can come about to bad car suspension aye? I know the bloke who had the car before me never took care of it and I had to spend a lot on suspension but perhaps too late to save my tyres from getting out of round?

JC · 29-03-2009, 01:03 PM

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The 2 tyres I bought were back in 2006 and the other 2 came with the car when i bought it in 2006

The whole 'out of round' problem can come about to bad car suspension aye? I know the bloke who had the car before me never took care of it and I had to spend a lot on suspension but perhaps too late to save my tyres from getting out of round?

Tyres go out of round due to the way the tyre is made, not anything to do with suspension. You may get a bulge in a tyre if you hit a pothole hard, but that is damage not so much out of roundness.

svo supporter · 29-03-2009, 07:21 PM

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Tyres go out of round due to the way the tyre is made, not anything to do with suspension. You may get a bulge in a tyre if you hit a pothole hard, but that is damage not so much out of roundness.

Sorry mate, but suspensions can make the tyre go out of round. We'll use a stuffed shock as a good example there. Also edge wear on a tyre can cause a balance issue, even after they're balanced. Saw tooth edges are a good example there mate.

BOLLY, sorry but rotors can cause a wobble at speed too, with out braking. The problem isn't that common these days, but it still exists.

DAVE 93761. I don't understand your quoting there mate. Alignments are necessary to stop tyre wear. As just explained, saw tooth effect.

So in short, it's the whole package, not just one particular thing. It'll be a process of elimination

JC · 29-03-2009, 08:11 PM

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Sorry mate, but suspensions can make the tyre go out of round. We'll use a stuffed shock as a good example there. Also edge wear on a tyre can cause a balance issue, even after they're balanced. Saw tooth edges are a good example there mate.

BOLLY, sorry but rotors can cause a wobble at speed too, with out braking. The problem isn't that common these days, but it still exists.

DAVE 93761. I don't understand your quoting there mate. Alignments are necessary to stop tyre wear. As just explained, saw tooth effect.

So in short, it's the whole package, not just one particular thing. It'll be a process of elimination

I think you're talking of different things here. When I talk about out of round I mean the tyre has a flat spot, or a bulge at one point, or goes from circular shape to ovaloid. This is usually caused by the components of the tyre separating.

What you are talking about is uneven wear - I would call that wear and tear, not going out of round.

So I think we are covering all bases for this guy's issues, but we are calling the issues different things.

Long story short - get a balance and alignment, and if the problem persists, get new tyres (tyres more than 24 months old should be replaced anyway).

Mr Hardware · 29-03-2009, 12:53 PM

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if anything, it should have been the other way round.......get them balance, and you may not have needed an alignment....

thats my general understanding too. alignment isn't based so much on tyres as a balance is.

Bolly · 29-03-2009, 01:15 PM

Balance your Tyres,,Rotors have nothing to do with steering Shimmy except when braking..

dreadly · 29-03-2009, 01:41 PM

how can you buy new tyres and not have em balanced? That's your problem, your tyres have got the wobbles lol.... get em balanced that'll fix it ;)

ebayholic · 29-03-2009, 11:12 PM

i know pedders do alignment but do they do balancing as well?

ebayholic · 29-03-2009, 11:53 PM

JC - thanks for letting me know. Is balancing one of those things that only need to be done for new tyres? Or does it have to be done every now and then like wheel alignment?

JC · 29-03-2009, 11:55 PM

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JC - thanks for letting me know. Is balancing one of those things that only need to be done for new tyres? Or does it have to be done every now and then like wheel alignment?

It should be done for new tyres for sure. If you have hit a large pothole, or even run up a gutter, and you end up with vibrations, then a balance as well as alignment would be a good idea. Balancing is generally around $5 to $10 per tyre.

svo supporter · 30-03-2009, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JC

It should be done for new tyres for sure. If you have hit a large pothole, or even run up a gutter, and you end up with vibrations, then a balance as well as alignment would be a good idea. Balancing is generally around $5 to $10 per tyre.

Oh dear. Only balance when you hit a large pothole or run up a gutter. I'm definately missing something there JC. Depending on the profile of the tyre, it can actually stuff it with the pothole. We won't get into the rim side of things, unless you really want to. The gutter run up, can stuff a tyre if you're not careful period. No balance would fix that one, despite what you're saying.

It's recommended you balance them, along with roate and align every 10,000K. The reason being, is when a tyre wears, they don't wear the exact amount to tread from the same areas. So, you've got to rebalance so the tyre and rim assembly is evenly weighted in relation to the tyrewear and the tyre location on the rim.

The rotation and align is done so you have no wear issues and with the front tyres going to the back it allows to flatten them out. Whilst on the front they tend to wear the edges slightly, due to the weight of the car being transferred from one edge to the other, with cornering.

Then again, I'm wrong with all that, aren't I JC? Probably. :togo:

BTW. Tyre manufacturing can be a cause of out of roundness. Or have you never struck that problem. That'd explain how I'm missing the point.

Another little thing about balancing. You don't have to take it to a tyre shop for balancing. It can be done at home, if you have the lead weights and you know what you're doing.