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Well this is just a report but I assume Ratt will be able to provide us with all the figures.
A quick look - Local Toyota sales down by 50% - Falcon up by 24% - Toyota sales down by 37% - Holden down by 23% - Ford down by 17% - Mitsubishi down by 37% - Honda down by 30% - Mazda and Nissan down by 24% - Hyundai up by 12% - Territory sold 635 units, a drop of 40% Quote:
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April last year saw the Falcon sell 1884 Falcons, so that would mean about:
Falcon 2336 Commodore 3336
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I'd like to see the full report to see how the rest of ford's lineup did also....
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Falcon 2336 C'Dore 3177 This is about 4:3 ratio. Much better than 2:1, but still not where Falcon deserves to be. Hopefully the latest ad campaign (anti-Toyota) can change that.
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Good to see the falcon improving
Interesting point about the scrappage scheme. I wonder what the effect that scheme would have in OZ. I'd hate to see it be responsible for the destruction of any classics, say an XY falcon for example. But if it got rid of all the old run of the mill, road going, fridge or washing machine type cars then that would be a good thing. I also wonder if reducing the amount of older cars on the road it may even have the effect of improving resale value of those that remain? |
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I dont like the scrappage idea. Wouldnt it make resale worse? Would they scrap lots of cars that dont need scrapping just because they arent worth much? I'd rather be in a 200,000km EF Fairmont than a new Kia Rio? And I'd be much safer, can tow, can be on gas and cheaper to run than a kia rio...
Dont get it. Isnt it better to not have new cars, and keep well maintained cars? Better for the environment not to be keeping factories busy. I wonder if the air pollution has taken a turn for the better in this last year due to less production of everything? |
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newer cars run cleaner... plus we need the sale of newer cars to keep these car companies around... if no one buys new cars.. why would a company want to sell them?
but an interesting point about factory emissions tho... |
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The whole point of a scrappage scheme is to support the car industry, nothing more. Getting people into safer, less polluting cars is simply a convenient (and worthwhile) side-effect of the scheme which is the basis governments here and there use to spruik it to the masses.
Germany's scrappage scheme has certainly come in for some criticism, especially in regard to the cost of the scheme and the 'misdirected' money to people who were going to buy a new car anyway, regardless of the scheme. |
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New cars are perceived as being less polluting, but thats not counting the pollution to build that car. Unless you drive the new car for 30years, it wont come out infront inregards to pollution.
Bit like building a new home produces 3 times more pollution than renovating/extending an old home, yet cost is similar.
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We live in a throw away society.. Theres not alot of people who actually look after their things today... people drive cars till they break, then go buy another one and do it all again... ![]()
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The scrappage scheme is a great idea.. but it would have to be scrutinised pretty hard, which would be easily done by making sure cars over 10 years old had to have an inspection every 12 months, by a government body and not by some dodgy mechanic who writes out a roadworthy certificate!
QLD sucks in this regard, the amount of dodgy roadworthys done up here is amazing.... pay the right fool the right money and you can get any car registered you want. If you can keep your car roadworthy then I would think it shouldnt fall into this trap, but any car that isnt roadworthy, should be scraped...
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Oh and with regard to falcon Sales incrase.. last year tihs time was hard coz Ford were in change over mode between BF / FG, plus many people were waiting..
As for SY Territory drop, Ford hasnt been building that many lately... Now that SYII is on the way we should see it go back up to 900 + units a month, there are a few preorders apparently...
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Bit of an update
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A couple of things come to mind...
3200 for Commodore against ~2300 for Falcon. Even though Holden are literally throwing commodores out the door... Overall difference of ~1000 vehicles between the 2 brands. If Ford can gain some traction with their economy campaign and convert interest into sales for Fiesta, me thinks this 1000 units could disappear quite quickly. When was the last time Ford outsold Holden? |
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In fact, I can see Ford outselling Holden on a monthly basis by the end of the year. YTD we will be behind though.
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Ahh ok, I agree. But it still seems that Holden gets preferential treatment.
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My statement about Ford outselling GMHolden by years end is due to the fact that although the market is down. The monthly gap between GMHolden and Ford has narrowed from 3,000 to just 1,000. Ford is gaining market share (albeit marginal), but GMHolden (as is Toyota) is losing it. GMHolden has also stopped importing Astra too. So, once stocks dry up, there goes another 1,000 per month... Uncertainty over the parent company GM is now possibly beginning to get noticed too.
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It seems Burela is about to start an aggressive sales period for Falcon and Territory. His words were to the lines of " How come we are number 3 when we are selling the best cars in Oz?" Some big changes ahead it would seem.
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Bringing in the Kuga compact SUV to replace Escape would also be another good move. Since sales are down in Europe, surely there is now spare capacity at that plant which was a reason to not bring it here before (oh and Gorman himself...). That could add an easy 400/mth. Gorman rode the Polites re-invention right back into the ground. Thank god we've now got Burela. Someone, who is actually 'driven'.
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Despite his stuff ups at least he got quality imported stuff in...unlike his counterparts at GMH at that time (daewoo anyone??) As for Kuga, well i think we should have it ASAP. Pricing was always an issue as well as supply (its a niche player in europe anyway, not cheap compared to focus estate etc.) so FOrd would have to decontent and adjust the product a fair bit at the factory to get the spec right for a lineup in OZ. It was also manual only till recently, and only diesel too (5T engine out now i think). Maybe this is where the idea of a diesel only territory comes from ford going to a diesel only suv lineup as a point of difference?? I still dont' think that is likely though. Looks good for an upswing later this year for ford though, particularly once the fleet sales burela is on about come online, plus renewed activity from private buyers...
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The SA government is definitely helping commodore sales, i read recently that premier Rann has ordered his fleet buyers to purchase commodore over camry/aurions to replace the old 380's
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Looks like an acceptable month for Ford, I do agree that we do need the Kuga here, the Escape is ancient and there is a huge market for this type of vehicle.
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Here are some figures
Ford 2,009 2,008 Ford Courier 4X4 0 5 Ford Escape 286 224 Ford F250 4X2 1 3 Ford Fairlane 2 11 Ford Falcon 2,228 1,884 Ford Falcon Ute 795 877 Ford Fiesta 654 640 Ford Focus 556 1,465 Ford Focus Coupe Cabriolet 16 35 Ford LTD 0 0 Ford Mondeo 377 329 Ford Ranger 4X2 565 800 Ford Ranger 4X4 555 720 Ford Territory 635 1,073 Ford Transit 129 145 Ford Transit Bus 6 12 Ford Transit C/C 31 23 Ford Total 6,836 8,246 Change - 17.1% Holden 2,009 Holden Adventra 0 0 Holden Astra 820 1,154 Holden Astra Convertible 30 104 Holden Barina 792 993 Holden Caprice 88 145 Holden Captiva 592 909 Holden Colorado 4X2 297 0 Holden Colorado 4X4 767 0 Holden Combo 67 82 Holden Commodore 3,177 3,324 Holden Epica 161 139 Holden Monaro 0 0 Holden Rodeo 4X2 0 502 Holden Rodeo 4X4 1 1,013 Holden Statesman 37 86 Holden Utility 4X2 836 1,269 Holden Utility 4X4 0 0 Holden Viva 164 467 Holden Total 7,829 10,187 Change -23.1% Toyota 2,009 2,008 Toyota Aurion 895 1,861 Toyota Avensis 56 80 Toyota Camry (4 cyl) 1,092 2,137 Toyota Coaster 17 41 Toyota Corolla 2,385 3,722 Toyota Hiace Bus 158 360 Toyota Hiace Van 518 955 Toyota Hilux 4X2 1,102 1,608 Toyota Hilux 4X4 1,530 2,206 Toyota Kluger 901 1,268 Toyota Landcruiser PU/CC 377 570 Toyota Landcruiser Wagon 570 1,124 Toyota Prado 777 1,157 Toyota Prius 235 281 Toyota RAV4 885 1,191 Toyota Tarago 140 214 Toyota Yaris 1,395 2,063 Toyota Total 13,033 20,838 Change -37.5% Audi 2009 2008 Audi A3 128 114 Audi A3 Convertible 14 0 Audi A4 268 410 Audi A5 54 36 Audi A6 44 30 Audi A8 4 4 Audi Convertible 8 13 Audi Q5 150 0 Audi Q7 104 91 Audi R8 5 11 Audi TT 37 61 Audi Total 816 770 Change of 6% BMW 2009 2008 BMW 1 Series 91 137 BMW 1 Series Coupe/Conv 197 11 BMW 3 Series 305 334 BMW 3 Series Coupe/Conv 158 262 BMW 5 Series 65 121 BMW 6 Series 10 6 BMW 7 Series 47 12 BMW X3 69 98 BMW X5 169 351 BMW X6 60 0 BMW Z4 24 15 BMW Total 1,195 1,347 Change of -11.3% Honda 2009 2008 Honda Accord 449 935 Honda Accord Euro 438 288 Honda City 273 0 Honda Civic 741 1,619 Honda CR-V 447 578 Honda Jazz 560 741 Honda Legend 18 5 Honda Odyssey 73 122 Honda S2000 1 1 Honda Total 3,000 4,289 Change of -30.1% Hyundai 2009 2008 Hyundai Accent 12 73 Hyundai Elantra 129 297 Hyundai Getz 1,307 1,448 Hyundai Grandeur 2 28 Hyundai i30 1,491 994 Hyundai iLOAD 147 209 Hyundai iMAX 59 51 Hyundai Santa Fe 223 189 Hyundai Sonata 93 142 Hyundai Terracan 0 0 Hyundai Tiburon 4 13 Hyundai Trajet 0 4 Hyundai Tucson 669 235 Hyundai Total 4,136 3,683 Change of 12.3% Mazda 2009 2008 Mazda BT-50 4X2 254 433 Mazda BT-50 4X4 330 528 Mazda CX-7 254 350 Mazda CX-9 231 457 Mazda MX5 50 59 Mazda RX8 43 29 Mazda Tribute 0 0 Mazda2 850 1,140 Mazda3 2,503 2,811 Mazda6 606 942 Mazda Total 5,121 6,749 Change of -24.1% Mercedes-Benz 2009 2008 M-Benz C-Class Sports Coupe 92 0 Mercedes (15t) 20 27 Mercedes (7.5t) 9 7 Mercedes-Benz A-Class 57 48 Mercedes-Benz B-Class 33 93 Mercedes-Benz C-Class 534 706 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class 5 14 Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class 77 45 Mercedes-Benz CLS-Class 16 9 Mercedes-Benz E-Class 91 84 Mercedes-Benz GL-Class 31 34 Mercedes-Benz M-Class 121 125 Mercedes-Benz R-Class 23 13 Mercedes-Benz S-Class 15 37 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class 5 2 Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class 26 6 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 178 162 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter Bus 3 3 Mercedes-Benz Vario 0 0 Mercedes-Benz Viano 7 6 Mercedes-Benz Vito 104 126 Mercedes-Benz Vito Wagon 5 6 Mercedes-Benz Total 1,452 1,553 Change -6.5% Mitsubishi 2009 2008 Mitsubishi 380 2 277 Mitsubishi Colt 175 219 Mitsubishi Colt Cabriolet 0 6 Mitsubishi Express 147 343 Mitsubishi Grandis 17 47 Mitsubishi Lancer 1,017 1,317 Mitsubishi Outlander 367 824 Mitsubishi Pajero 381 553 Mitsubishi Triton 4X2 470 634 Mitsubishi Triton 4X4 569 787 Mitsubishi Total 3,145 5,007 Change -37.2% Nissan 2009 2008 Nissan 350Z 24 44 Nissan 370Z 38 0 Nissan Dualis 158 194 Nissan GT-R 66 0 Nissan Maxima 21 60 Nissan Micra 342 489 Nissan Murano 174 74 Nissan Navara 4X2 140 196 Nissan Navara 4X4 1,311 1,488 Nissan Pathfinder 246 181 Nissan Patrol PU/CC 126 194 Nissan Patrol Wagon 182 517 Nissan Tiida 417 741 Nissan X-Trail 479 757 Nissan Total 3,724 4,935 Change -24.5% Subaru 2009 2008 Subaru Forester 1,239 1,107 Subaru Impreza 1,008 952 Subaru Liberty 356 478 Subaru Outback 232 420 Subaru Tribeca 164 201 Subaru Total 2,999 3,158 Change of -5.0% Volkswagen 2009 2008 Volkswagen Caddy 135 149 Volkswagen Caddy Life/Camper 27 16 Volkswagen Caravelle 14 0 Volkswagen Crafter 26 39 Volkswagen Eos 87 190 Volkswagen Golf 726 1,083 Volkswagen Jetta 134 201 Volkswagen Kombi 0 0 Volkswagen Kombi Beach 1 5 Volkswagen Multivan 17 30 Volkswagen New Beetle 21 64 Volkswagen New Beetle Cabrio 15 17 Volkswagen Passat 194 290 Volkswagen Passat CC 68 0 Volkswagen Polo 133 123 Volkswagen Tiguan 390 0 Volkswagen Touareg 62 106 Volkswagen Transporter 96 103 Volkswagen Transporter C/C 14 24 Volkswagen Total 2,160 2,440 Change of -11.5%
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Fiesta (current including Diesel Engine) Focus (Kinetic “One Ford” Styling – Australian Manufacturing) Mondeo (Wagon, possible higher spec’d models – check out the UK site) Falcon (5.0 V8 & More efficient 6’s) Kuga Territory (Diesel Engine & Revised Bodywork) Falcon Ute (As above) Ranger (Australian Designed T6 Platform) Transit FPV – F6, GT & GT-HO (don’t write it off) Ford Australia’s only problem will be Burela getting promoted into a higher position OS. Let hope he gets the job done while here, that and the succession planning includes some other Australian talent this time around. |
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