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Wildtrak X variant released, essentially an FX4 Max for the new Gen.
More ground clearance, bilstein shocks, wider track and taller/wider General Grabber off road rubber. Plus a bunch of other features like LED spotlights in the front grille, and the bigger electronic dash from the Platinum. The kicker, it's 4 cylinder only. I'm assuming because the V6 Diesel is in such short supply that they can't supply any for this model. Which greatly annoys me, cause I was ready to switch my Wildtrak V6 order to this when it was released. But won't be doing that now. Hopefully a V6 version becomes available in the future. https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-f...x-price-specs/ ![]() ![]() |
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Looks good, interesting it gets adblue which I'm guessing will apply to rest of the ranger range at some point
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Gotta move those 2L engines
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Lol who wants a tougher Wildtrack with a softer engine.
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I really hope that v6td supply frees up and they eventually do a 6 cylinder version. I wonder if they have considered releasing an ecoboost petrol 4 version like they have in some other countries as an alternative to the 6, to try to free up some v6td capacity. I’m sure it would help lessen v6 demand, even if it’s only 10%?
I’m sure they will keep an eye on amarok ecoboost sales to see if it’s worth doing. |
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Fords got nothing to loose, if it doesnt sell worth a damn, all good. If it sell's well, they would have to at least look at offering it as well... Even better if it end up in more than just top spec ones.... Cousins new BF is in sales at a VW dealer up here in Brissy... Im temped to question him on uptake when I meet him during the week...
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The engine is more than enough for most, we sell plenty of 2.0L BTD, depends on your application.
Same old man comment like Mustang V8 vs Ecoboost.
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![]() Logical fallacy there, you can't claim on one hand that there's a shortage of V6 engine due to demand then turn around and say that the 4 cylinder version is great - otherwise there'd be production shortage of those too. |
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But I don't know what the situation is where it's built. Is the engine line constrained and at capacity now? Will upping the build rate cost millions of dollars in terms of plant upgrades? I'd love to know. |
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It's a case of production capacity being high for one, and severely limited for the other. Despite the demand for V6, the 4 cylinder is still the bigger seller, cause fleets buy 4's, not 6's, and the V6 is only available in australia and nz from Thai production, nowhere else in asia gets it as far as i'm aware. I know for a fact the Thai's don't even get it. If anything, V6 production from the Thai plant is probably like 5-10%. |
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Bi-turbo- good is that better?
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Ranger, Mustang, Amarok and now the Everest too it seems. The big engine is higher demand. The small engine might be more than good enough, but a lot of people want the best available. |
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Of course and I understand that. My original response to a previous comment is "gotta move those 2.0L" which is basically a dig at this powertrain and "why would you" which quite frankly, annoys the crap out of me. It is what it is and people will buy the bigger engine however, I will always stand up for the 2.0L BT, its a good thing.
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When are we getting the crazy big tyre option like the 35" tyres on the Bronco.
These are just under 32's on this. Love the colour.
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Just to add to Boss's comments....and support that 2.0L requirements are by far the biggest volume for Ford....
Ford South Africa had an upgrade so they build V6 diesels and the 2.0L but obviously need to supply their production of Rangers and global supply of Amaroks. Production capacity of 130,000 V6's per year and 120,000 2.0L per year in SA. https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...ine-Plant.html So is any ( if available) of the V6's sent to Thailand or only those made at Dagenham, England? Plus Dagenham has to build 2.0L Ecoblue diesel engines for the Transit/Transit Custom and next new VW Transporter as well as supply the whole Ford world apart from South Africa. I couldn't find Dagenham’s output but 60% of it's production will go to Ford & VW vans. So somewhere in there you need to supply Everest and Ranger requirements for V6's plus the much greater need for 2.0L everywhere. Last edited by Dr Smith; 27-03-2023 at 05:41 PM. |
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Another article I found backs this up. https://www.news24.com/life/motoring...que-20220917-2 Considering that the production of the V6 is set to only 21 000 units per year, one can correctly assume that the 2.0-litre Single Turbo and Bi-turbo offerings will be the volume sellers. It's reassuring to know that a total of 23 design changes have been implemented in the evolution of these engines. And our supply comes out of the UK. Which is interesting, because UK market Ranger V6's will come with an SA built V6, and not one built in the UK. |
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globally, sales of 2.0 out of Thailand are more than 4 times what the V6 sales are.
it's only Australia where the V6 is anywhere close to the 2.0 |
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Which is the more modern motor?
The 2.0 or the V6 Which is more reliable long term ? Which is better for towing? I guess you can’t put a V6 badge on a 2.0 |
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they are both the same age/generation. they both run exactly the same development tests. they both tow equally well (YMMV)
it only really comes down to Aussies who are convinced 'bigger is better' and won't be swayed by facts |
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That was with the PXIII vs the old clunker 3.2 I5 Curious on the test between the V6 and the TT 4 cylinder job, There's no 'YMMV' - it's either tows equally as well or it doesn't and there is a review saying it doesn't. |
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You sound like the bloke I've spoken to saying the Ecoboost doesn't belong in the Mustang, I'm getting that vibe. 2022 Ranger 2.0 BT towing review
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I'll also note in another test I linked in here in another thread, Carexperts towing test, all the 4 cylinder utes failed the test. ALL of them. |
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Just remember going back to the 70's and 80's, when towing a couple of tonnes with a Falcon or Kingswood flat out making about 300nm from a straight 6 was the norm. |
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The bi-turbo is the newer engine design. The 3 litre can trace it's origins back to the original 2.7 from around 2004. But the 3 litre was an upgraded version, first used in 2009. Both modern designs though. I'm sure the bi-turbo design picked up a lot of influence from the Lion engine. |
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