Vfacts october 2012

[bobthebilda]

http://www.caradvice.com.au/199157/c...inners-losers/

Top 10 Best-selling Vehicles – October 2012

1.Toyota HiLux – 3403
2.Toyota Camry – 3379
3.Mazda3 – 3342
4.Toyota Corolla – 2977
5.Hyundai i30 – 2898
6.Holden Commodore – 2449
7.Volkswagen Golf – 2436
8.Holden Cruze – 2251
9.Ford Ranger – 2126
10.Nissan Navara – 2124


Top 10 Best-selling Vehicles – 2012 to date

1.Mazda3 – 35,776
2.Toyota HiLux – 34,467
3.Toyota Corolla – 31,066
4.Holden Commodore – 25,675
5.Holden Cruze – 25,142
6.Hyundai i30 – 24,212
7.Nissan Navara – 21,297
8.Toyota Camry – 20,499
9.Toyota Yaris – 15,465
10.Volkswagen Golf – 15,127


Top 10 Best-selling Brands – October 2012

1.Toyota – 18,584
2.Holden – 10,239
3.Ford – 8379
4.Mazda – 7738
5.Hyundai – 7576
6.Nissan – 6662
7.Volkswagen – 5559
8.Mitsubishi – 5334
9.Subaru – 3203
10.Kia – 2977


Top 10 Best-selling Brands – 2012 to date

1.Toyota – 177,695
2.Holden – 95,584
3.Mazda – 85,600
4.Hyundai – 76,036
5.Ford – 74,271
6.Nissan – 65,411
7.Mitsubishi – 49,778
8.Volkswagen – 45,782
9.Subaru – 33,982
10.Honda – 28,188

[bobthebilda]

Oops, just realised I jumped ahead to 2013.

[Joe5619]

And let the monthly "fun" begin!!!

Good result for Ranger & Ford back into 3rd for the month.. It would be nice if Ford can over take Hyundai & fiinsh the year in 4th!!

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

And let the monthly "fun" begin!!!

No, that stupidity can stay in the other thread.

1391 Falcons isnt too bad, considering in the first half of this year it was languishing around 1000 units (or less) per month.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

No, that stupidity can stay in the other thread.

1391 Falcons isnt too bad, considering in the first half of this year it was languishing around 1000 units (or less) per month.

Could it be that LPG sales have come up a bit or simply XR6 had a good month?

Following on with Mid Sized car news:

LINK
Following the Camry in the medium class were two premium Germans – the Mercedes-Benz C-Class (658) and the BMW 3 Series (484) – with the Mazda6 (440) and the Ford Mondeo (419) the only other significant sellers

Ford Europe are shockers, we need to have Mondeo built here to control supply a bit better,
even if it's mostly with an affordable 2.5 I-4 power train from US Fusion, something to go with Camry...


Anyone have Holden and Faclon ute sales?

Also Territory:

Mitsubishi shifted 1524 Outlander models, bettering the Nissan X-Trail (1498) and Toyota Prado (1257).
The Ford Territory (1227) remains a key sales success for the Blue Oval coming in fourth place ahead of
the Mazda CX-5, which surprisingly managed just 1190 sales.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Ranger would be close to 1 if they could supply... Good work Ford.

Now stats on Falcon and Territory.

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

Ranger would be close to 1 if they could supply... Good work Ford.

Now stats on Falcon and Territory.

Falcon = 1391 - Its in the story

[Chopped]

The link listed above takes you to the September results.

October > http://www.caradvice.com.au/199157/c...rs-and-losers/

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by Chopped

The link listed above takes you to the September results.

October > http://www.caradvice.com.au/199157/c...rs-and-losers/

mmmmmm my apologies. Strange thing was I got the sales figures from the same link (my only excuse is that they changed it)

[dimka100]

The last one is mine LOL I just took delivery this weekend

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

Falcon = 1391 - Its in the story

[jpd80]

Camry – 3379
Aurion - 931


Falls over in shock......

Focus - 1740

LINK
Although Ford’s Falcon continued to flounder last month – down another 12.6 per cent to 1391 units –
Ford recovered sales momentum through its imports to regain third place on the sales charts, with 8379 sales –
a rise of 21 per cent over October 2011.

[flooded one]

be good when an australian car is number 1 again!!!

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Camry – 3379
Aurion - 931


Falls over in shock......

Focus - 1740

Its amazing what 0% finance will do. I see heaps of new privately owned Camrys everyday!

[Nikked]

Good month for the falcon!

[The Snout]

Commodore really has fallen off the edge. From #1, to just beat out last year, to no where near the front.

[dimka100]

The limited edition falcon models probably helped private sales, prices are better than ever

[Joe5619]

Territory numbers seemed to have dropped off a bit over the last few months.. Is this because they can't build enough because of Falcon build numbers or is this a real drop off??

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Territory numbers seemed to have dropped off a bit over the last few months.. Is this because they can't build enough because of Falcon build numbers or is this a real drop off??

Falcon is holding up Territory..... They still need to build them in sync sadly. In saying that however there is a fair amount of stock around.

[csv8]

Would Falcon sales be better if they had a conventional wagon ??
Holden will have the Sportswagon in the VF. sales must be there to keep building it ??????

[MrZ]

Originally Posted by csv8

Would Falcon sales be better if they had a conventional wagon ??
Holden will have the Sportswagon in the VF. sales must be there to keep building it ??????

?? VF wagon will be exactly the same as VE from the A pillar back. It will basically just have a new bonnet and front bumper and headlights. Hardly much of an investment - consider that Ford on the other hand would have a much larger investment in designing an FG-based wagon.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by csv8

Would Falcon sales be better if they had a conventional wagon ??
Holden will have the Sportswagon in the VF. sales must be there to keep building it ??????

Sportswagon this, Sportswagon that. Ford would be better off bringing out an XR-style Territory to build volume on an already strong seller in a growth market segment, not a shrinking one.

A better idea for the Falcon would be to start being more realistic with pricing for the XT Ecoboost for example. No one in their right mind is going to pay $37-odd grand RRP for a 4cyl base spec car. Sure no one pays full retail anyway, but to the average punter who looks online would be instantly put off.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

A better idea for the Falcon would be to start being more realistic with pricing for the XT Ecoboost for example. No one in their right mind is going to pay $37-odd grand RRP for a 4cyl base spec car. Sure no one pays full retail anyway, but to the average punter who looks online would be instantly put off.

That's a good point you raise. How does the Falcon fare with other 'larger' 4cyl cars in a cost comparison? The Camry with it's 29k 'drive away' pricing is making a killing, has Ford got any 'drive away' deals with its base models?

I think people are more inclined to look into buying when they know a real ballpark figure for a car prior to sitting down to nut out a deal.

No one I know has ever paid RRP on a new car so would a lower (but more firm) starting price get more people through the door??

Most new car reviews also always have a value component included. A lower RRP would be a positive when compared to other models in a review.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

That's a good point you raise. How does the Falcon fare with other 'larger' 4cyl cars in a cost comparison? The Camry with it's 29k 'drive away' pricing is making a killing, has Ford got any 'drive away' deals with its base models?

I think people are more inclined to look into buying when they know a real ballpark figure for a car prior to sitting down to nut out a deal.

No one I know has ever paid RRP on a new car so would a lower (but more firm) starting price get more people through the door??

Most new car reviews also always have a value component included. A lower RRP would be a positive when compared to other models in a review.

A decent base model price gets people in the door, even with the deal on the base model Altise, Toyota are seeing a 20% increase in the proportion of people buying higher range Camrys this year. So the 28,990 Altise gets them in, but many end up buying a more expensive Atara.

The base Falcon XT is worthless, it offers nothing to get people through the door. It simply drags down the image of the rest of the Falcon range without contributing anything. A $29,990 base price would see it pull its weight.

[XR Martin]

Im not convinced that there was a huge private rush on the Camry. I suspect the rental companies got a good deal that month...

[Brazen]

1994 base Corolla $22,670
2012 base Corolla $19,990

1994 base Falcon $26,232
2012 base Falcon $37,235

It is not size, fuel economy or features which is seeing large cars fall. It is simply the price which are making these family cars more and more irrelevant.

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by Brazen

1994 base Corolla $22,670
2012 base Corolla $19,990

1994 base Falcon $26,232
2012 base Falcon $37,235

It is not size, fuel economy or features which is seeing large cars fall. It is simply the price which are making these family cars more and more irrelevant.

That's the problem with building in Australia. Our wages have gone up heaps since 1994 so its not possible for them to sell an XT at 26k. Probably should be a bit cheaper than 37k though.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

That's the problem with building in Australia. Our wages have gone up heaps since 1994 so its not possible for them to sell an XT at 26k. Probably should be a bit cheaper than 37k though.

Wages are only a small part of vehicle manufacturing, and Australia is cheaper than Japan where the Corolla is built.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

That's the problem with building in Australia. Our wages have gone up heaps since 1994 so its not possible for them to sell an XT at 26k. Probably should be a bit cheaper than 37k though.

Its more a case of only making a fraction of what they used to which pushes up costs per unit by a significant amount. Things like wages, electricity, water, gas, pollution requirements, workplace safety costs, training costs etc. While these have greatly increased, the number of cars has greatly decreased, so each one of those cars carries a significantly higher % of those costs.

Not to mention stuff like alloy wheels, electric drivers seat, cd, 6 airbags, dsc, climate control, painted bumpers and mirrors etc, plus all the other electric gadgets unheard of in 94 are standard now. Most of that stuff was only available on the Ghia back in 94.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by Brazen

1994 base Corolla $22,670
2012 base Corolla $19,990

1994 base Falcon $26,232
2012 base Falcon $37,235

It is not size, fuel economy or features which is seeing large cars fall. It is simply the price which are making these family cars more and more irrelevant.

That is amazing re the corolla pricing............

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Brazen

1994 base Corolla $22,670
2012 base Corolla $19,990

1994 base Falcon $26,232
2012 base Falcon $37,235

It is not size, fuel economy or features which is seeing large cars fall. It is simply the price which are making these family cars more and more irrelevant.

I don't think that Falcon price is correct, I actually bought an EF GLi new in 2005, well a demonstrator with $1,500 XR6 wheels,
After $4,700 discount, the price was $29,900 drive away....

The XR6 was going to be close on $36,000 + ORC.