New HSV/Camaro

[99AUXR]

Reading in wheels (not the most reliable information) but it looks like HSV may be bringing in a 414kw and 747nm ls9 engine in 2013, in a 1929kg CTS-V coupe it can do 4.2 sec to 100km/h and 12.5 sec 400m, in the corvette ZR1 a 475kw version of the engine.



Last paragraph:
Performance will be, erm, strong. The 1929kg CTS-V coupe thunders to 100km/h in around 4.2 seconds and nails the standing 400m in 12.5 seconds - using an automatic box. Top speed is limited to 280km/h in the auto to preserve the tranny, but in the manual will storm to an autobahn-melting 310km/h. If HSV takes up the challenge, Claytons commodore should undercut the caddy by up to 100kg, so 0-100km/h in 4 seconds flat and a 400m sprint in the low 12s are well within reach.
Let the battle of the blowers begin!!

[Mechan1k]

They need to ... cos Ford's new GT 335 is more like a GT 400 in real life figures.

[99AUXR]

Just updated with a scan and typed the last paragraph.

[smoo]

About time we see some decent torque and power increases with the top of the line Aussie, 11 years since the VT GTS 300kw and we've only bettered it by 35kw.

[DJM83]

Albeit 2 years time........

[99AUXR]

haha i just cant wait to see what will happen with both HSV and FPV having blown engine

[jpd80]

Meh, it's page 1 headlines followed by a retraction weeks later buried on page 59....

Holden and GM are adept at grabbing headlines and apologising later,
a bit like their accountancy department I fear.....

GM have stated that no RHDs will be done for Camrao or CTS-V period
and as for the blown engine, HSV and Harrop are cheaper than GMNA.

[Deco28]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Meh, it's page 1 headlines followed by a retraction weeks later buried on page 59....

Holden and GM are adept at grabbing headlines and apologising later,
a bit like their accountancy department I fear.....

GM have stated that no RHDs will be done for Camrao or CTS-V period
and as for the blown engine, HSV and Harrop are cheaper than GMNA.

This has nothing to do with HSV. It's Wheels publishing this.

[Ryan]

Sounds good, but I hope by 2013 HSVs will have lost their Star Wars-ish styling.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Deco28

This has nothing to do with HSV. It's Wheels publishing this.

Yes, but where does the story come from?

[Deco28]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Yes, but where does the story come from?

From the journalists at Wheels who see a 6.2l S/C engine in the Camaro which has the same chassis as the Commodore and think, hey they're gonna put it in there as well. I guarantee Holden never initiated this rumour.

[phillyc]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Meh, it's page 1 headlines followed by a retraction weeks later buried on page 59....

Holden and GM are adept at grabbing headlines and apologising later,
a bit like their accountancy department I fear.....
GM have stated that no RHDs will be done for Camrao or CTS-V period
and as for the blown engine, HSV and Harrop are cheaper than GMNA.

Well, i'm enjoying driving around in my lightweight, aerodynamic, solar panelled, 2L hybrid powered Commodore that i purchased 5 years ago. I just don't understand your cynicism.

[BroncosXR8]

They said it actively being considered. Well thats not really much, if I was in the engineering department or the CEO of HSV its a no-brainer that I would be 'actively considering' just about any engine in the GM lineup.
This is exactly what FPV did with Coyote, difference is, we have ours NOW.

[99AUXR]

^^^ time will tell

[99AUXR]

^^^ time will tell

[Mechan1k]

HSV = gunna gunna gunna.
FPV = Done it. :P

[mik]

another 150 car special?

[99AUXR]

Originally Posted by mik

another 150 car special?

indefinitely, apparently more exclusive than the GTHO, i read in small print somewhere on car advice

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

HSV = gunna gunna gunna.
FPV = Done it. :P

Exactly, procastinators

[kpcart]

Originally Posted by 99AUXR

indefinitely, apparently more exclusive than the GTHO, i read in small print somewhere on car advice




Exactly, procastinators

lol, i am a ford fan as ai drive one, but i laugh at you calling holden procastinators, they have had the power advantage for so many years, now ford have it for 1 months and suddenly holden are the procastinators (check spelling) lol, please, its ford fans like you that give our badge a bad name and bad sales. Holden have already done the 375kw job, which is 40 more then fords best and 2 years ago. If Ford were not "procrastinators" they would have done this 3 years ago also and not lost so many sales as they are with inferior muscle car "numbers"(ie engine specs) and also inferior design.

I can say all this honestly, because i drive a Falcon station wagon, and am not totally brand loyal obsessed like some in this forum. I like holdens, and fords, but chose ford for the superior 6 cyl engine and drive train integration. but in the muscle car terms, i can see Ford has been behind for about 10 years, and even with the 'coyote' will have trouble regaining ground.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kpcart

lol, i am a ford fan as ai drive one, but i laugh at you calling holden procastinators, they have had the power advantage for so many years, now ford have it for 1 months and suddenly holden are the procastinators (check spelling) lol, please, its ford fans like you that give our badge a bad name and bad sales. Holden have already done the 375kw job, which is 40 more then fords best and 2 years ago. If Ford were not "procrastinators" they would have done this 3 years ago also and not lost so many sales as they are with inferior muscle car "numbers"(ie engine specs) and also inferior design.

I can say all this honestly, because i drive a Falcon station wagon, and am not totally brand loyal obsessed like some in this forum. I like holdens, and fords, but chose ford for the superior 6 cyl engine and drive train integration. but in the muscle car terms, i can see Ford has been behind for about 10 years, and even with the 'coyote' will have trouble regaining ground.

Ford USA designed the Coyote with boost pressures in mind.....

Recent Dyno tests have shown the 335 Kw GT is actually making that power or more
at the rear wheels, not at the flywheel and that's without any intercooler fitted yet.
Coyote is at the start of its development phase while the LS engine will retire in 2012/3.



The last thing I want to see is a power war at the showroom floor, it's really bad news
for enthusiasts as it attracts government attention with calls for restricting power to follow...
Better to have a "basic" blown engine with understated HP/torque like FPV have done
than risk the media backlash of escalating power wars and ensuing bans by governments

If HSV uses the Z28 engine, I'd expect it will be exclusive, limited run and of course expensive.

[99AUXR]

Originally Posted by kpcart

lol, i am a ford fan as ai drive one, but i laugh at you calling holden procastinators, they have had the power advantage for so many years, now ford have it for 1 months and suddenly holden are the procastinators (check spelling) lol, please, its ford fans like you that give our badge a bad name and bad sales. Holden have already done the 375kw job, which is 40 more then fords best and 2 years ago. If Ford were not "procrastinators" they would have done this 3 years ago also and not lost so many sales as they are with inferior muscle car "numbers"(ie engine specs) and also inferior design.

I can say all this honestly, because i drive a Falcon station wagon, and am not totally brand loyal obsessed like some in this forum. I like holdens, and fords, but chose ford for the superior 6 cyl engine and drive train integration. but in the muscle car terms, i can see Ford has been behind for about 10 years, and even with the 'coyote' will have trouble regaining ground.

yes badly worded my like wheels once again make holden look bad i read to many wheels magazines and it makes it look like they bad, also ford for that matter. Ford may have less sale but last time I checked still in better financial position than holden/GM (goverment funded)

Yay holden 475kw yes, amazing, readin in magazine and the 480kw walkinshaw guess how many RWKW. . . . . 368rwkw, mmmm 30 more than a falcon, NZ$30000 for 30more rwkw over a GT?
and the walkinshaw did an astonishing 12.58 1/4 mile. and this is holdens fastest aftermarket. I can see the coyote is threatend.

HSV having nicer design? Yes. . .
Ill just go to supercheap auto to by some day time driving for the new GTS.
the interior is yuk, one thing in the E3 is the ICC thats a bonus and also MRC.

yes they coyote might struggle for the first bit givin the 10 years in HSV favour, but a few HSV mates ive talked to would seriously consider walking into an FPV dealership.

[SSD-85]

This whole "Holden has to always be one better" attitude adopted by our printed media is really starting to give me the s**ts. I know this article is in Holden Magazine (aka Wheels), but the amount of times they sit here and tell us all their GM wet dreams is mind boggling. Give it a rest already & write up something that isnt speculative fantasy. As its been said;
HSV: Maybe.
FPV: Definitely.

[Cooper69S]

Originally Posted by Scotty85

This whole "Holden has to always be one better" attitude adopted by our printed media is really starting to give me the s**ts. I know this article is in Holden Magazine (aka Wheels), but the amount of times they sit here and tell us all their GM wet dreams is mind boggling. Give it a rest already & write up something that isnt speculative fantasy. As its been said;
HSV: Maybe.
FPV: Definitely.

yeah it was a frustrating read... "laying the groundwork for HSV to create the hardest, fastest Aussie muscle car ever"... "Suddenly FPV's 375kW GTHO would look a little puny compared with the 414kW nuclear reactor powering HSV's hardest."

gotta love all the tough talk... someone seems upset with the notion of FPV being number 1 now. Maybe someone should let the bloke in on a secret about how much power the coyote really has and watch his grin fade

[99AUXR]

^^ i get sick of it aswell, in wheels and motor if ford make front cover there will always be atleast one small front cover pic of a holden, doesnt work this way when holden have the major front cover pic.

[burnz]

i said 5 months ago that holden will use L99, 3.0 sidi bi turbo.
and that HSV will use LSA, and 3.6 sidi bi turbo.

[TheZHLANE]

yeh because putting a 7 litre in an everyday car is smart

[glavas]

Originally Posted by STANI

yeh because putting a 7 litre in an everyday car is smart

of course it is smart!!!!!!!

what would be wrong with a 7 litre car? hsv have 6.2 at the moment so its only another 800cc. 7l would be great in a everyday car. smooth clean power heaps of na grunt. what does engine size have to do with everyday car? i drove a 2l lancer once and you know what???? the thing was slow the gearbox was crap and it used more fuel then my v8 because you have to rev the thing to redline to get anywere. not to mention it small and fwd.

the w427 is a 7l. and the ls9 is a 6.2l anyway so were did you get this 7l talk from?

[kezzer]

Originally Posted by glavas

i dont understand???? what would be wrong with a 7 litre car? hsv have 6.2 at the moment so its only another 800cc. 7l would be great in a everyday car. smooth clean power heaps of na grunt. what does engine size have to do with everyday car? i drove a 2l lancer once and you know what???? the thing was slow the gearbox was crap and it used more fuel then my v8 because you have to rev the thing to redline to get anywere. not to mention it small and fwd.

the w427 is a 7l. and the ls9 is a 6.2l anyway so were did you get this 7l talk from?

agreed, the miami is essentially a 6.9l engine. 5.0 + 1.9 S/C. Amrite?

[vztrt]

If/When HSV release it I'll be interested, but they don't have the goods.

[g220ba]

More speculative drivel from wheels for no other purpose than to sell magazines.