Carbon Tax.Its a BIG Con!!!

[csv8]

Okay, here's the bombshell. The volcanic eruption in Iceland, since its first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet – all of you.

Of course you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress – it’s that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow, and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans, and all animal life.

I know, it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of: driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kid's "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cents light bulbs with $10.00 light bulbs...well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days.
The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes - FOUR DAYS ONLY by that volcano in Iceland, has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud any one time - EVERY DAY.
I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in its entire YEARS on earth. Yes folks, Mt Pinatubo was active for over one year – think about it.
Of course I shouldn't spoil this touchy-feely tree-hugging moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized 800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which keep happening, despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.
And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.
Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you on the basis of the bogus “human-caused” climate change scenario.
Hey, isn’t it interesting how they don’t mention “Global Warming” any more, but just “Climate Change” - you know why? It’s because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming bull artists got caught with their pants down.
And just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme – that whopping new tax – imposed on you, that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer. It won’t stop any volcanoes from erupting, that’s for sure.
But hey, relax, give the world a hug and have a nice day!
PS: I wonder if Iceland is buying carbon offsets?

[Whiskeyonesix]

I see the Ads on TV. If the Gov. thinks they have to try and sell this Tax to us, there's something seriously wrong. I recycle whatever I can, but if I really thought I wanted to help save the planet I'd be rocking a Prius instead of the AU!

This planet's been around for a long time, and it'll still be here long after the Human race has died out.

[Kryton]

Funny thing about the net - you dont have to re-post everything you get sent.
Cant see this thread lasting long.

[csv8]

Originally Posted by davway

Funny thing about the net - you dont have to re-post everything you get sent.
Cant see this thread lasting long.

I agree, but the carbon tax is too big an issue to ignore..The Government is leading us up the garden path. Australia's population of 22m and carbon pollution as against China, Russia ,India carbon output, is just a drop in the bucket. Won't make a skerrick of difference,in the big picture of things.
If the Mods close the thread, so be it. But people need to know the whole truth about carbon, not just what the Government wants us too know...........

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by csv8

If the Mods close the thread, so be it. But people need to know the whole truth about carbon, not just what the Government wants us too know...........

no one knows the truth - it is all just theory

having said that i do not believe we are killing the planet as it is reported, but neither side can know the facts, because the time spans they are looking at are so insignificant to the millions of years that have passed with both global warming (dinosaur's tropical age) and climate change (ice age) and everything in between

[GK]

Csv8, I'm with you.

Why impose a massive tax on something we can't actually change?

And whilst people are whinging and whining about a "meow", the biggest tax ripoff in our history looms larger.

GK

[Blue_XR]

Totally agree csv8, even if this so called 'Global Warming' or 'Climate Change' existed, how as we as a nation as small as Australia effect the CO2 output of the world. First you have to believe that CO2 is bad. The problem is that you have the general media pushing their own agenda. In saying that though they usually side with the left side of politics. China, USA, Russia et al refuse to sign anything, so what the hell are this government getting us into!

Anyway some facts:
Each molecule of CO2 combines a carbon atom and two oxygen atoms. Every cell of living organism contains carbon, essential for all life on Earth.

CO2 is 0.0385% of Earth's atmosphere. That's just under 0.04%, or four 1/100th's of 1%. Or 1/26th of 1%. In every 2,600 molecules of air, only one (1) is CO2.

CO2, like oxygen, is a naturally occurring colourless, odourless, tasteless, invisible gas, non-toxic in concentrations many times levels in air, and essential for life. Unlike oxygen though, CO2 is only a trace gas.

Earth's annual production of CO2 is almost entirely by Nature, 97%. Human activity including industry and transport produces just 3%.

Hopefully there is enough of a public outcry that the government will be forced into an election!!!!

[Road Games]

Originally Posted by davway

Funny thing about the net - you dont have to re-post everything you get sent.
Cant see this thread lasting long.

Well then that is why there is a report button eh ?

[Ford_The_Win]

Assuming that global warming (now conveniently called 'climate change' because the world isn't actually warming a great deal) is real, what difference is a marginal reduction in Australia's emissions going to make? We put out 1% of the world's total emissions. One percent!!!

It's just labor killing two birds with one stone - pleasing the nutty greens and raising revenue.

[Ford Falcon XR6]

Originally Posted by Ford_The_Win

Assuming that global warming (now conveniently called 'climate change' because the world isn't actually warming a great deal) is real, what difference is a marginal reduction in Australia's emissions going to make? We put out 1% of the world's total emissions. One percent!!!

It's just labor killing two birds with one stone - pleasing the nutty greens and raising revenue.

I agree with this 100% there is as much proof saying global warming is ture as the is saying it's all rubbish. I belive it's just the world's nartural cycle and people like the green are using itto make the're wacky idea's sound important when they arn't.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by davway

Funny thing about the net - you dont have to re-post everything you get sent.
Cant see this thread lasting long.

Its also been posted on here before.

Originally Posted by sudszy

Tony Abbott would have you believe that the co2 problem could be stopped if we planted more trees, (anything he comes up with will incorporate business as usual for the big polluters).

Well he thought of the carbon tax the government is now trying to implement so it must be BS then.

[CJR09]

negating the finer intricasies of the tax - you must realise that something needs to be done to clean up global industry and push things into a more sustainable global buisiness evironment

dont get me wrong I dont believe this is the correct way of going about this but at least try and understand the ethos behind it

[flappist]

It is being promoted as:

Carbon Tax

But is actual fact it is:

Carbon Tax

But I have a plan to reduce the problem.

As it seems the government and academics are all for this then they can do their part.

Power stations are most efficient, that is produce least waste when they are running at the same level constantly.

At night there is very little load so the power stations need to wind up and down wasting energy and producing excess carbon.

So simply make all tertiary education and public service work at night from 9PM to 5 AM instead of during the day.

It would also reduce carbon by lowering the traffic and parking problems.

Unfortunately there is a design flaw in my plan.

Academics and public vegetables only ever support ideas that make others lives more difficult.......

[Charliewool]

If I had of posted this, Mr. Spooly would have given me 6 cuts, a tongue lashing, plus a severe spanking, and informed me that we are not allowed to disagree with Aunt Julia!!

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

If I had of posted this, Mr. Spooly would have given me 6 cuts, a tongue lashing, plus a severe spanking, and informed me that we are not allowed to disagree with Aunt Julia!!

You were looking forward to the spanking part as well, weren't you?

I do however take exception with the OP's attitude and the use of the word YOU throughout the post.
He's assuming that I'm a tree hugger with a Save The Gay Whale sticker on my car!

[robjh80]

"Carbon Tax.Its a BIG Con!!! "

Bravo csv8 .. Bravo .. .. perfect post, couldn't agree more

This will be the start of the Financial Armaggedon the general population of this Country simply cannot yet see .. so many people will suffer from this

We did not dodge the GFC, we simply delayed it ... the Worlds economies are still in a state of collapse .. Ireland, Greece, France, NZ, Italy, Belgium, USA, Great Britain, Japan are all sitting dangerously close to the edge of the abyss, some of these Countries have debt levels "that will never be paid off, ever!" ... Australia will follow

With most households already at record personal debt levels and struggling to make ends meet .... I see a future where people won't be able to feed their families, electricity will be a luxury only for the wealthy, petrol will be out of the reach of everyday lower to middle class Australians, many thousands of businesses will close down, unemployment will reach never before dreamed of levels, the retail sector will effectively come to a stand-still, tourism will cease to exist, I see mass mortgagee repossions by the banks, I see soup kitchens in the streets with many hundreds of hungry people lining up at each one

My fellow Australians .. brace yourselves .. we are heading towards the biggest Depression the World has ever seen!

[dogwatch2]

Originally Posted by robjh80

"Carbon Tax.Its a BIG Con!!! "

Bravo csv8 .. Bravo .. .. perfect post, couldn't agree more

This will be the start of the Financial Armaggedon the general population of this Country simply cannot yet see .. so many people will suffer from this

We did not dodge the GFC, we simply delayed it ... the Worlds economies are still in a state of collapse .. Ireland, Greece, France, NZ, Italy, Belgium, USA, Great Britain, Japan are all sitting dangerously close to the edge of the abyss, some of these Countries have debt levels "that will never be paid off, ever!" ... Australia will follow

With most households already at record personal debt levels and struggling to make ends meet .... I see a future where people won't be able to feed their families, electricity will be a luxury only for the wealthy, petrol will be out of the reach of everyday lower to middle class Australians, many thousands of businesses will close down, unemployment will reach never before dreamed of levels, the retail sector will effectively come to a stand-still, tourism will cease to exist, I see mass mortgagee repossions by the banks, I see soup kitchens in the streets with many hundreds of hungry people lining up at each one

My fellow Australians .. brace yourselves .. we are heading towards the biggest Depression the World has ever seen!

I agree, the level of debt in many countries is too high to repay, so something has to give. A lot of the misery in the USA is hidden by the media - tent cities, towns where police won't respond to non-violent crime like car theft, break ins etc due to cutbacks. Juiilar is a tool of the Chinese. Why should we take action as every 4 months China's increases carbon dioxide output equal to ALL of our output. So, even if we reduce ours by 50%, 2 months later China will have replaced it.

[PHATXR8]

Yep, sack the carbon tax and anyone who supports it. Let's have an election and see if the population really wants it.

The reality of the carbon tax is that it is all about:
1 raising revenue to save Labor's **** for its incompoetent poor financial performance over the past 4 years,
2. a tool for Wealth re-Distribuion. (tax all of those really rich people who dare to earn over $80k per annum and give it to those "battlers" who don't want to work, or who think working is optional

The carbon tax we are being presented with by Juliar and Bob Brown will do NOTHING to improve the environment.... I repeat NOTHING to improve the world climate. If it was going to improve the global environment, then why do they AVOID quantifying the difference it will make whenever they are asked to do so by journalists????

[Thornie]

And all the revenue from this tax will never ever go to actually fixing any enviromental issues as long as there are other polluting countries around. All it will get used to for is lining the pockets of this greedy government we have.

[EDManual]

I wonder how many power stations australias coal fires overseas? ~100?!maybe.. Now if we want to reduce our carbon emissions by 10% or whatever, just export less coal so it cant be burnt by others. Or at least dont dig any more up so more coal power stations can operate. Pretty easy, no money in that though.

[Road Games]

Originally Posted by EDManual

I wonder how many power stations australias coal fires overseas? ~100?!maybe.. Now if we want to reduce our carbon emissions by 10% or whatever, just export less coal so it cant be burnt by others. Or at least dont dig any more up so more coal power stations can operate. Pretty easy, no money in that though.

Mmm and stop feeding cattle to lower the methane emissions as well oh hang on .. that will kill the export trade as well ...

[Dazza XLT]

Originally Posted by XR6menace

Mmm and stop feeding cattle to lower the methane emissions as well oh hang on .. that will kill the export trade as well ...

CSIRO are currently doing trials up here to see what breeds emit less, and what pastures, when fed, emit less through the beast.
Interesting stuff.

[Bucknaked]

Saw on a news website that climate scientists in Canberra are getting death threats. Some people really arn't happy about this tax.

[Road Games]

I'd rather send coal overseas than our cattle after that program i watched..

So is this tax gonna get passed??

Or is it still debateable ...Rannga's signed her retrenchment package if she goes ahead with it IMO...

[Kryton]

The tax will be passed.
Death warrant or not, its coming.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by davway

The tax will be passed.
Death warrant or not, its coming.

I have to agree, the tax is coming whether we like it or not..

Australia is one of the highest taxed countries in the world, but it sure dosent all go back into betterment for us..
Its just another TAX to continue to bleed us dry.
The thing about cleaning up big companies and their ways is another smokescreen as we all know the bosses of these entites are the real power behind whatever face is on show..

[Shelby1965]

Originally Posted by davway

The tax will be passed.
Death warrant or not, its coming.

Originally Posted by Donny

the tax is coming whether we like it or not..

And will be quickly removed as easily as were the WORK CHOICES LAWS....

..along with the present Government!!!!

[Bent8]

Two words.... Lord Monckton

This guy has done his research and was recently in Australia to discuss the topic.

For those that don't like to read, a recent youtube video for your convenience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11vGoETThFA

The rest, here's an excerpt from a debate he won last year at the worlds most prestigious debating society...

"Lord Monckton said that real-world measurements, as opposed to models, showed that the warming effect of CO2 was a tiny fraction of the estimates peddled by the UN’s climate panel. He said that he would take his lead from Lord Lawson, however, in concentrating on the economics rather than the science. He glared at the opposition again and demanded whether, since they had declared themselves to be so worried about “global warming”, they would care to tell him – to two places of decimals and one standard deviation – the UN’s central estimate of the “global warming” that might result from a doubling of atmospheric CO2 concentration. The opposition were unable to reply. Lord Monckton told them the answer was 3.26 plus or minus 0.69 Kelvin or Celsius degrees. An Hon. Member interrupted: “And your reference is?” Lord Monckton replied: “IPCC, 2007, chapter 10, box 10.2.” [cheers]. He concluded that shutting down the entire global economy for a whole year, with all the death, destruction, disaster, disease and distress that that would cause, would forestall just 4.7 ln(390/388) = 0.024 Kelvin or Celsius degrees of “global warming”, so that total economic shutdown for 41 years would prevent just 1 K of warming. Adaptation as and if necessary would be orders of magnitude cheaper and more cost-effective."

Source: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/2...-oxford-union/

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Bent8

Two words.... Lord Monckton

This guy has done his research and was recently in Australia to discuss the topic.

one word.....charlatan
some easily pace videos for the layman, see:

http://climatecrocks.com/2010/04/11/...kton-part-one/

http://climatecrocks.com/2011/02/21/...bunkum-part-2/

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by sudszy

one word.....charlartan
some easily pace videos for the layman, see:

http://climatecrocks.com/2010/04/11/...kton-part-one/

http://climatecrocks.com/2011/02/21/...bunkum-part-2/

Ain't it a bugger when you edit a spelling mistake and still get it wrong ?

Charlatan...